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From: "Ayers, B. J." <>
Subject: Re: [SOUTHEAST-PIONEERS] HINTON, Hardy, Alston, Kimbrough,Hill -MONTGOMERY, Brown
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:25:34 -0500
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20FEB07
Greetings again- BARRY
LIST
Thanks a bunch, this is great Intel, as we said
in yesterdays email, Your' [GRIMES] Intel appeared more Sound on the
DATES GIVEN-[i.e. -LWT-"1730- vs. 1736"]; by some of the other data that
we have come across thus- far!
What ever you have, and/ or come across in the future, please Do
remember us!
The biggest problem we have had in the past is the "Over-Use of the same
first names-[JOHN- son of JOHN, son of JOHN, JAMES, WILLIAM, etc.],
Over, and Over, and Over again and again, Down thru the Generations, in
all of these families!
What we do Know- [per Most Sources] as below.
(1)- The *HINTON*- Progenerator- *SIR THOMAS HINTON*- was a- "Principal
Financier" - for the "JAMESTOWNE, VA-COLONY"!
(2)- At least three sons- "JAMES, & WM", and Our' -*COL. JOHN*- came to
the -"USA"-[via- JAMESTOWNE???]-Before- (1700), had "ROYAL LAND GRANTS
for the areas which became-----"CHOWAN COUNTY, NC"----- settled the
areas, Married, and had-more-- KIDS- (circa- 1715)!
(3)- Our' COL. JOHN HINTON, was more than likely an older man-
probably-[in his late 30's, 40's, or even Older], Based on his,---
"Rank" --- and Stature in the community, "A *COL* in the ARMY is a
Senior Officer, with probably at least -10, 15, or More years of
Service"!!
(4)- JAMES, WM, and Our' JOHN- "Each had Several sons In CHOWAN, NC",
Sometime after the DEATH of *COL. JOHN*, "The- WIDOW- MARY HARDY-Re-
Married a Man-[Un-Named]- Whom the SONS DISAPROVED OF", So Much So ,that
They packed up the Family, and Extended Families-[ above], and Migrated
West to the newly opened areas which became--------"JOHNSTON/ WAKE/
RALIEGH, NC" areas-------, Where they Purchased several thousand Acres
of Land on and around the-- "NEUSE RIVER"--, This area was a few miles
East of-- "RALIEGH"!!!
This is where it gets Dicey- looking for the Parents of our'
-GGGrandfather----- *JOHN HINTON* - (b. NC- circa- 1790- 1843) ----!
As above The Tradition of naming their sons, "CLOUDS THE WATERS", Each
of the Sons, and Grandsons likewise Named Sons--- *JOHN HINTON* --!!
Most sources say that we Come Thru---- *COL. JOHN HINTON-[jr]* - (b. NC-
circa- 1715) - & *GRIZZELLA (KIMBROUGH) - HINTON*, But this is NOT
PROVEN, because their Children Do NOT MATCH-[date-Wise]???
The first *HINTONS* we see after "JOCO/ RALIEGH, NC", is in an area what
Became- "WILKES COUNTY, GEORGIA" - (circa- 1800) - Brothers--- *HARDY
HILL & JACOB HINTON* - (b. JOCO, NC- circa- 1765)--- [sons of *MALACHAI
& SARAH (WIMBERLY) - HINTON*- a Brother of our' COL. JOHN-(1715)*!!!
To date we have NOT made a further family Connection!!!
Our' *JOHN HINTON-(1790)* - Married a GEORGIA GIRL- *EASTER
(MONTGOMERY) - HINTON*- (b.GA-circa- 1797- 1870)!!!-------- [GA- County
is Unknown]
There were Several- *MONTGOMERY FAMILIES* in "WILKES COUNTY, GA", who
Migrated on to- CLARK/ JACKSON/ NEWTON/ OGLETHORPE/ WARREN, and others,
prior to Migrating to and Settling in the "TUSCALOOSA, ALABAMA AREAS"!
If you or anyone can make Heads or Tails, that would be Great!!
Again Thanks
GOD BLESS
SEMPER FI
BA- In North GA!!
-----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [SOUTHEAST-PIONEERS] Hinton, Hardy, Alston, Kimbrough
In a message dated 2/20/2007 1:29:26 AM Central Standard Time,
writes:
> 19FEB07
>
>
>
> Greetings BARRY
>
> FINCH64
>
> LIST
>
> RE: EARLY PIONEERS-HINTON, MONTGOMERY, ALSTON,
> BROEN, HARDY, etc!
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply to our email-dtd- 17FEB07;
>
>
>
> Our earliest ancestor that we have Tracked thus-far is- *COL.JOHN
> HINTON-(b.IRLAND-xxxx-1736)* &*MARY (HARDY) - HINTON*;
>
> Tradition says that- they are of the-SIR.THOMAS HINTON- family, who
were
> some of the primary Investors for the *JAMESTOWNE, VIRGINIA COLONY*-!
>
> Our' JOHN HINTON, and @ least two Brothers came to the-"CHOWAN, NC"
> areas, with ROYAL LAND GRANTS!
>
> COL. JOHN HINTON DIED-[Per a NC- LWT- dated- 1736] The---"WILL"
> Listed--- Wife:*MARY (HARDY) - HINTON*, Several Children-
> born-(circa-1715), to Include our' *COL.JOHN-[jr]-(b.NC-circa- 1715),
> they were in "CHOWAN, NC/OLD ALBEMARLE DISTRICT"- By-(circa- 1715)!!
>
> Our' *JOHN-[jr]* Married-*GRIZZELLA (KIMBROUGH)-HINTON*--before-
(1736)!
>
> Father of -*MARY (HARDY)-HINTON*- was thought to be---*JOHN
> HARDY*---Good chance is the one that you show??
>
> We have NOT seen the- *MONTGOMERY'S* as is on your list, what do you
> have on them, on the *JOHN MONTGOMERY*- CLERK OF THE COURT-
> in-(CHOWAN-1739)??
>
> W
>
> On your' List- The "LWT-of JOHN HINTON"- shows date of-(21JUN1730), we
> have seen -"LWT dated-(21JUN1736)"???
>
> With your Experience, how accurate has this-"MR. GRIMES"- Been on his
> DATA???
>
> YOUR' DATA seems more Correct---date-wise---, than what we have seen
> thus far???
>
> Sometime After the death of "JOHN HINTON-[sr]"-(circa- 1740)-the
> Extended Family Migrated to the new-JOHNSTON COUNTY.NC-!!
>
>
>
> (1)- WHAT YEAR WAS---"CHOWAN"--- FORMED OUT OF "ALBERMARLE
DISTRICT"???
>
> (2)- Where was "BATH" Township??
>
>
>
> Again thanks for the above data, anything on the above Names would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> GOD BLESS
>
> SEMPER FI
>
>
>
> BA- In North GA!!
>
>
>
> PS looking for Anything on the Pioneer migrations from "PA"- of the
> *MONTGOMERY FAMILIES*, [any Extended families-of-"BROWN" ] Most
Migrated
> south Down the- "PHILY WAGON TRAIL", but some came south via- "NY/
> NJ">>"MD">>"DC">>VIRGINIA then to NORTH CAROLINA!!!
>
In reference to your questions about more information on John Montgomery
and
some of the others -- I have more wills to post which may answer some of
that
including the wills of John Montgomery himself and the will of his wife,
Ann
Montgomery which gives her mother's name. I have abstracts from the book
concerning your surnames dating all the way to 1773. So hopefully those
abstracts
will give you more information concerning your families.
In reference to the location of Bath Town. This is the entire entry for
the
will abstract that mentions it for testator: John Riussett, October 11,
1737.
January 17, 1737. Bath Town. "Late of the city of London." Sons: John
and David
Riussett. Executors: John Montgomery, Thomas Jones and Peter Randon.
Witnesses: John Garzia, Peter Randon. Proven before W. Smith, C. J.
The one following it in the book is this one:
Peter Riussett, Bath County, January 14, 1734. February 21, 1734.
Nieces: Ann
Galaber, Jane Caila, Mary Covee. Nephew: Petter Randown. Son: John Bell,
Bro
ther: John Riussett. Executors: Edward Salter and Oliver Blackburn.
Other
legatee; Church of Bath. Witnesses: Oliver Blackburn, Peter Randon,
Mathias
Collier. Proven before Gab. Johnston.
Some locations are given in the index of the book either under the
heading,
"Plantations" or alphabetically. I found this one:
Bath Town Creek, land on...page 413
page 413
Thomas Williams, Beaufort County
February 17, 1757. March Court 1758; Sons: Thomas (land on East side of
the
mouth of Bath Town Creek, bought of Wm. Baker, and lot in Bath Town No.
39),
Charles and John (land in the fork of Cuckolds Creek), Robert.
Daughters:
Temperance, Ann, Mary, Sarah and Hanah Williams, Elizabeth Pritchard.
Land in the
fork of Nevils Creek devised to son, Charles. Estate in England and
Wales
ordered divided among wife and children. Wife and executrix: Ann.
Executors: Wyriott
Ormond, James Ellison, Coleman Roe an Thomas Williams. Witnesses:
William
Dowd, Jacob Nevil, Jr., Moses Nevil. Clerk of the Court: Walley
Chauncey.
Ancestry's Red Book has some information concerning county formation and
dates that you requested.
Albemarle County (didn't function as one per se though) was formed in
1664.
It was divided into precincts about 1668: Carteret, Berkeley and
Shaftesbury).
Carteret Precinct is not the same and not to be confused with Carteret
County.
In about 1681 the following occurred:
Carteret Precinct was divided into Currituck and Pasquotank precincts
Berkeley Precinct was renamed Perquimans Precinct
Shaftesbury Precinct was renamed Chowan Precinct
Bertie Precinct was formed out of parts of Chowan Precinct in 1722.
Tyrrell Precinct was formed out of parts of Bertie, Chowan, Currituck
and
Pasquotank precincts in 1729.
In 1739 all precincts were declared to be counties and Albemarle County
was
abolished completely.
In reference to John Hinton 1730 vs. 1736 -- this is what the appendix
of the
Grimes book has and then what Thornton Mitchell's North Carolina Wills:
A
Testator Index, 1665-1900 has:
Index to Will Book, No. 3, 1722-1735
Name: Hinton, John; Will Book: 1722-1735; Page: 240
Mitchell's has the following:
Name: Hinton, John
County: 024 (Chowan)
Date (of probate): 1732
Location of recorded copy: SS 876/240 (Secretary of State records in the
State Archives [in Raleigh, NC], Shelf #876; Page #240
Location of original copy: SS/AR (The secretary of state loose wills in
the
State Archives.
I would say it's a safe bet that 1736 would have been too late because
the
will is not included in wills from that date AND Mitchell's info says it
was
probated in 1732. Grimes confirms that as well with a date of "October
Court
1732"
Armed with all of that, you could probably order a copy from the NC
State
Archives. I'm sure they'd be very happy to help you with that. I haven't
tried it
yet but Ancestry's Red Book indicates that is one of the things they do
for
genealogists and the more info they have the quicker they can find it
for you.
Grimes and Mitchell sometimes disagree but I would lean more toward
Mitchell
being wrong as he only listed the year of probate or the year it was
written
if the year of probate is unknown or the will was never proved. Grimes
book
gives the date range as 1690 to 1760 but he actually includes almost all
wills
still in existence in the archives going back to the 1660s and he even
includes
some up to the 1770s. I have found a few older wills listed in Mitchell
that
Grimes didn't abstract. Some of these are listed in Grimes' Appendix but
not
all of them. Another thing I discovered about Grimes is that he didn't
list all
persons mentioned in the wills. I have compared at least one of his
Jernigan
will abstracts with a transcript of the entire will. I think he listed
only
persons with surnames that were capitalized. Also his spellings of names
are
sometimes way off the mark. But he is still to be massively credited
with going
through all of those wills and making this information available. His
book is
probably one of the best purchases I ever made in reference to Southern
family
research.
You might also try the North Carolina State Archives official website.
Some
documents (including many wills) have been copied and you can download
and look
at the actual will itself. I tried to copy one awhile back and my
computer
froze up but it might just be my computer or maybe it was an off day for
AOL ;-)
Hope I answered some of your questions for now. I'll post the rest of
the
abstracts for you later. Give my fingers some time to rest ;-)
Oh, BTW, I forgot to answer your question before about Rutherford Co,
TN. The
seat is Murfreesboro and we are just southeast of Nashville. We watch
the
Nashville TV news and get their radio stations.
Also, I checked some of your surnames in the Virginia Historical Index.
Sometimes I can match up different families by comparing the entries. I
didn't find
any of your surnames as appearing on the same pages in Virginia
periodicals,
etc. but I only touched the surface on that. It can be kind of pain
staking to
meticulously check every entry.
If you have an account with Ancestry.com there is a database of deeds
for
Chowan County and they go back quite a ways. I think Ancestry's Red Book
says
some of those are kept at the Chowan County Court House. The database at
Ancestry
just lists the type of deed (like gift deed, etc), who it was from, who
it
was to and the year. There is no description of location of the land or
any
other individuals mentioned listed.
Take care
Barry Jernigan
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