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Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BMD and Counties was Off topic
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:15:20 -0500
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That explains why I couldnt find Dudley under staffs thx Bill








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Paul



Also we had a bit of a think as to where to put Dudley after 1837 with the

BMD's ....



We decided to put ALL Dudley BMD Indexes under WestmidlandsBMD.



Hope this helps to complete the picture !



regards



Bill Harrison



Webmaster Staffs BMD and WestMidlands BMD





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Sent: 04 February 2011 15:12

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Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] OFF TOPIC



Lin:



The short answer is that part of what you say is right and part wrong.



>From the Middle Ages until 1844 the parish of Halesowen was partly in

Shropshire and partly in Worcestershire. It was mainly a detached piece of

Shropshire, but had seventeen separate enclaves within it which were part of

Worcestershire. Even more complicated, there were three detached bits of

Shropshire within a couple of the Worcestershire pieces! These strange

boundaries were all in the north-east part of the parish, around Oldbury and

Warley. From 1844 onwards everything was tidied up and all of Halesowen

parish was then in Worcestershire.



Births, Deaths and Marriages from 1837 were by Registration Districts, which

were groupings of parishes. They often ignored county boundaries,

particularly in this area. Halesowen parish (Shropshire/Worcestershire) was

part of Stourbridge registration district, which also included the parishes

of Oldswinford (Worcs) and Kingswinford (Staffs). The nearby registration

district of Dudley comprised the parishes of Dudley (Worcs), Tipton

(Staffs), Rowley Regis (Staffs) and Sedgley (Staffs).



The 1841 census was carried out and reported strictly by counties. The

parish of Halesowen therefore appears mainly under Shropshire, but with the

seventeen small bits shown under Worcestershire. Registration districts

played no part in this census.



The 1851 and later censuses were carried out and reported by registration

districts. Halesowen was therefore reported under Stourbridge registration

district.



However a problem arose when the GRO wanted to summarise census results by

county. What they did was to show cross-border registration districts under

the county where the town that gave its name to the Registration District

lay.



For example, Stourbridge registration district is named after Stourbridge

which is in Worcestershire so the results for this Registration District are

listed under Worcestershire - even though they include Kingswinford which is

in Staffordshire.



The same applies to Dudley Registration District, which is listed under

Worcestershire because Dudley parish is in Worcestershire, even though most

of the parishes making up Dudley Registration District are in

Staffordshire. Sometimes online references try to "correct" these

anomalies, which can give rise to strange locations such as Dudley, Staffs

(sic)!



Hope that helps.



Paul

















On 4 February 2011 10:14, Lin Lamberg <> wrote:



> Hi Paul, sorry not got your email address anymore, but could you settle a

> disagreement for me please?

>

> Halesowen 1841 was in Shropshire but Worcestershire for Census and Civil

> Administration, is that correct or am I wrong? Many thanks from Linda.

>

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