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From: "Tina S. Vickery" <>
Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Comments on banner
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:59:59 -0500
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Margie,

The Board has struggled for many months with how to deal
with this. A mainstay of the USGenWeb Project is that
State/County and Special Project sites may be hosted on a
server on one's choice. The USGenWeb Project is very
unique in that the majority of our sites are hosted on
Rootsweb.

If I may give *my* opinion, these banners are no different
than banners Geocities, Tripod, AOL or other hosting
servers offer up, <sigh>, but a fact. The fact that
TGN/RW has worked with us to provide a custom USGenWeb
Project banner is testament to our long and established
relationship. The Board and I have, and are continuing to
explore options for the National Pages, but I must
reiterate a mainstay of the USGenWeb Project is that
State/County and Special Project sites may be hosted on a
server on one's choice.

Tina
----- Original Message -----
From: "ltlsis2" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Comments on banner


> Respectfully,
>
> I have to ask Tina and the board why are you allowing this to happen?
>
> It is within your power to simply move the site to another host.
>
> I think the volunteers of this organization deserve better treatment. We
> have manned mail lists and message boards all at no cost to RW.
>
> Honoring promises for donations is the responsible, ethical and moral
> thing
> to do.
>
> TGN ethics were brought into question this last year when TGN harvested
> the
> entire internet grabbing sites including NAMBLA and placing them behind
> their Ancestry subscription site.
> Only after a beating in the public did they remove the content from their
> site.
>
>
>
> Margie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Tina S. Vickery
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:09 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Comments on banner
>
> All *.html* USGenWeb Project pages hosted on RW.
>
> Tina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W. David Samuelsen" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Comments on banner
>
>
>> you mean EVERY page of the USGenWeb Project county sites? Even Archives?
>>
>> David Samuelsen
>>
>> Tina S. Vickery wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>> All USGenWeb Project pages hosted on TGN/RW.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "W. David Samuelsen" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Announcement: USGenWeb Project sites hosted
>>> on
>>> TGN/RW ("RootsWeb")
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tina,
>>>>
>>>> Omitting the signature - the Flag and eliminating the 3 dots between
>>>> Free and Genealogy?
>>>>
>>>> Will the banner be restricted to home page only, not on every page on
>>>> each County site, each Project site?
>>>>
>>>> W. David Samuelsen
>>>>
>>>> Tina S. Vickery wrote:
>>>>> Please forward to all USGenWeb Project lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> To All USGenWeb Project members who host sites on TGN/RW ("RootsWeb"):
>>>>>
>>>>> TGN/RW ("RootsWeb") has implemented a policy change in
>>>>> which banners are to be placed on all TGN/RW hosted
>>>>> websites. The USGenWeb Advisory Board contacted RootsWeb
>>>>> in regard to their plan to install banners on their
>>>>> webspace and have negotiated a banner specific to The
>>>>> USGenWeb Project that will be placed on the national pages
>>>>> of The USGenWeb Project. While these negotiations were
>>>>> ongoing, TGN/RW postponed applying the banners to sites of
>>>>> the USGenWeb Project to work on the concept of USGenWeb
>>>>> having a custom banner.
>>>>>
>>>>> The banner that we have negotiated identifies the USGenWeb
>>>>> Project as being hosted by RootsWeb and RootsWeb as a
>>>>> community of The Generation Network.
>>>>>
>>>>> The banners are viewable here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/default1.jpg [default
>>>>> one]
>>>>> http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/default2.jpg [default
>>>>> two]
>>>>> http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/default3.jpg [default
>>>>> three]
>>>>> http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/custom.jpg [custom to
>>>>> USGenWeb Project]
>>>>>
>>>>> RootsWeb intends to begin the placement of the banners
>>>>> beginning on or about March 15, 2008. The
>>>>> generic/freepages banner will be included on the server
>>>>> side [TGN/RW], and will not require any involvement from
>>>>> the webmasters. Any USGenWeb Project site that wishes to
>>>>> have the USGenWeb Project specific banner instead of the
>>>>> generic/freepages banner will be supplied with code to
>>>>> insert on their pages in order to cause that banner to
>>>>> show up when their pages are viewed. The line of code
>>>>> they will provide us is not a replacement banner. It will
>>>>> simply include a parameter on the page that the server can
>>>>> read when rendering the banner that will tell it to render
>>>>> the customized USGenWeb [Project] banner instead of the
>>>>> default one.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Board has made it very clear to TGN/RW that they
>>>>> should be the ones to implement the custom banner on
>>>>> Project pages. TGN/RW understands how editing each
>>>>> individual page could be a concern for account holders
>>>>> with a large number of pages. Most solutions they have
>>>>> looked at for doing this involve significant initial or
>>>>> ongoing development or operations work, but they are still
>>>>> brainstorming to try and find a good solution. They will
>>>>> get back to the Advisory Board this week after they have
>>>>> been able to investigate further.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Advisory Board has strived to maintain a balance of
>>>>> TGN/RW business needs as our host, while being mindful of
>>>>> the Project's paramount mission and goal to provide free
>>>>> genealogical data to our visitors and the USGenWeb Project
>>>>> community as stated in our bylaws.
>>>>>
>>>>> As National Coordinator, I want to thank all involved for
>>>>> their patience and input as we have worked to achieve this
>>>>> balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> In tandem with this, and perhaps more importantly, the
>>>>> Advisory Board is discussing a hosting agreement with
>>>>> TGN/RW. While that hosting agreement is confidential in
>>>>> nature, due to business concerns of our host, the Board is
>>>>> working to insure that the work of our many volunteers and
>>>>> contributors is protected.
>>>>>
>>>>> We welcome any of your questions/concerns as we all work
>>>>> together to finalize this negotiation process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina Vickery
>>>>> National Coordinator
>>>>> USGenWeb Project
>>>>>
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