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From: "Jack Steer" <>
Subject: Re: [STEER]...or SLEAR or SLEER
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:23:33 +0100
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John,

I've had a bit of a dig at your list of SLEER etc. IGI entries. Really
interesting set of ideas. They're a bit like the curate's egg. There seem to
be a couple of general points:-

1. A number are described as being "records submitted by a member of the LDS
Church" and thus were added to the IGI before 1991 when the policy of
insisting on rather more care about entries was introduced. My experience
has taught me to be very wary about all such entries and especially the
older ones. There are such examples in this batch.

2. There are some SLYER etc. entries that I have added to your original
list.

3. There is no obvious pattern to these entries, although the Crediton ones
do indicate that your suggestion that many SLEAR entries should be STEAR may
well be valid. I wonder if there are any SIEER/SIER ones around?

I have had a look at my records for the Devon ones and found

Marriages:-

<Humphrey SLEAR: Mar 12 AUG 1651 Uffculme, Devon>

Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church

Humphrey STEARE was the vicar of Uffculme and remained there from 1620 until
his death in 1660. This was his second marriage, his first wife Rebecca died
in 1650, there are letters from him expressing his sadness at her death in
the Wiltshire Record Office - Uffculme was a peculiar parish and although in
Devon was transferred by Henry VIII in about 1543 from the diocese of Exeter
to that of Salisbury. It was to Grace COLE - this IGI record not only has
his surname wrong, but they have Jean as her forename. There is also an
ancestral file entry for a marriage of a Hun STEAR to Gean COLE on 4.4.1648,
which is even more inaccurate.

Births

<Humphrey SLEAR: Bir About 1626 Of, Uffculme, Devon

Humphrey SLEAR: Bir About 1626 Of, Uffculme, Devon>

Records submitted by a member of the LDS Church

The IGI has these two baptisms for children of Humphrey and Rebecca,
confirmed by the parish registers

14.4. 1622 Elizabeth STEARE
Uffculme, Devon Humphrye STEARE 8; 94

4.11. 1624 Humfry STEARE
Uffculme, Devon Humfry STEARE 8

Just taking twenty-five years for a man or twenty-one for a woman from the
date of a marriage and assuming that the party was born in that year is a
jolly silly idea. These two SLEAR births need to be expunged.

<Elizabeth SLEERE: Chr 15 JUN 1628 Crediton, Devon John SLEERE

Joan SLEERE: Chr 11 NOV 1629 Crediton, Devon John SLEERE

John SLEERE: Chr 11 NOV 1629 Crediton, Devon John SLEERE>

Extracted birth or christening records for the locality listed in the record

These are LDS copies of Victorian transcriptions.

There is a collection of STEER baptisms for that period on the IGI. It may
well be that these three are part of that series.

30.11. 1624 William STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE - 8

18.2. 1626 Mary STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE - 8

14.4. 1630 John STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE - 8

24.4. 1631 Philip STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE - 9

20.1. 1632/3 Christian STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE - 8

24.3. 1632 Marie STEERE
Crediton, Devon - Joan STEERE 8

20.5. 1632 Mary STEER
Crediton, Devon John STEER - 8

18.8. 1633 Prudence STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE - 8

15.3. 1634/5 Danyell STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE Elizabeth 8

15.5. 1636 Richard STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE Christian 8

3.7. 1636 Thomas STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE Elizabeth 8

19.1. 1639/40 Damaris STEERE
Crediton, Devon John STEERE Elizabeth 8

<Martha Longman SLEER or STUR or STEER: Bir 31 DEC 1844, Devon>

Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church and includes her death on
10.11.1862. No parents shewn

The birth of Martha Longman STEER in Q4 1844 in Torrington, Devon district
is recorded in GRO records volume X page 304

Whether she was born on 31.12.1844 is a matter for conjecture - that date
may have been chosen as it was the last day in the quarter, nor can I verify
the date of her death. But the inclusion of three possible surnames does
make me very suspicious. But it is probable that Mary was a STEER.

<Peter SLEER: Mar 1713 Spreyton, Devon Joan GERMAN Extracted marriage record
for locality listed in the record>

There quite a number of STEER marriages on the IGI for that period in
Spreyton. Again they would have come from a Victorian transcription, but
there is no reason to doubt their veracity.

This is the expanded list of non-Devon events

Marriages

William WYTHYFORD Kathern SLYER Marriage: 26 APR 1588 Snitterfield,
Warwickshire

Adnar SLEAR: Martha TAYLER Mar 13 NOV 1755 Halesowen, Worcestershire

Edward MILES Elizabeth SLIER: Mar 22 JUN 1617 Crowhurst, Surrey Record
submitted by a member of the LDS Church

James SLIRES Agnes HOLME Marriage: 3 JUN 1781 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record

John SLEAR Ann WATTS Mar 28 JUN 1579 Reading, Berkshire Form submitted by a
member of the LDS Church.

John SLEAR: Mary BAXTER Mar 10 FEB 1705 Saint Peter, Nottingham Extracted
marriage record for locality listed in the record.

William BAYLY Mary SLYER Marriage: 17 JUL 1709 Saint George's Chapel, New
Windsor, Berkshire Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the
record

Samuel SLEER: Mildred BAYLEY Mar 07 FEB 1799 Staplehurst, Kent Record
submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church

Thomas SLARE Mary SMITH Mar 12 JUL 1764 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwickshire
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church

William SLEAR Ann DUNHAM Mar 27 APR 1713 Manby, Lincolnshire Extracted
marriage record for locality listed in the record

William SLYER Annis SALLET Mar 23 JUL 1610 Iver, Buckinghamshire Extracted
marriage record for locality listed in the record

Baptisms

Annis SLYER Chr 11 MAR 1591/2 Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire Roger
SLYER

Elizabeth SLIER: birth about 1596 of Crowhurst, Surrey Record submitted by a
member of the LDS Church

Elizabeth SLIER: birth about 1596 of Crowhurst, Surrey Record submitted by a
member of the LDS Church

Elizabeth SLARE: Chr 12 APR 1705 St Andrew Holborn, London Absolom SLARE
Elizabeth Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in
the record

Esther SLIER: Chr 08 APR 1798 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire Samuel SLIER
Esther Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the
record.

John SLIERR: Chr 12 APR 1773 Sutton Coldfield, Warwick George SLIERR
Elizabeth Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in
the record

Mary SLARE: Chr 11 DEC 1639 St Giles Cripplegate, London Robert SLARE
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record

Rosa Annie SLER: Chr 10 DEC 1845 Saint Mark, Kennington, London Thomas SLER
Catherine Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in
the record

Thomas SLYYIER Chr 1 MAR 1723 St Katherine by the Tower, London Thomas
SLYYIER Elizabeth Extracted birth or christening record for the locality
listed in the record



Regards,
Jack Steer

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Steer" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STEER]...or SLEAR or SLEER


> > I have some sympathy for John wading through the 1851 census for Devon
> looking for STEER cousins. His task is not made any easier by the apparent
> discrepancies in the LDS 1851 and 1881 transcriptions - although they may
> well be correct and it was the original enumerator who was at fault. It
> really does pay to check all possible spellings.
>
> Yes, as I enter my Devonian period sympathy is gratefully accepted. I
> estimate that the pile of photocopies of the Devon census images will be
> nearly 4cm high, the entire 1851 census project will fill three lever arch
> files.
>
> Another worrying spelling is SLEER(E) or SLEAR(E). It is commonplace in
> censuses and parish registers for lower case Ts not to be crossed and
where
> they are the cross-stokes aren't always as clear on filmed copies of the
> documents.
>
> I don't think that SLEAR or likely spelling variants is a genuine English
> name, if it is then it is very rare. I suspect that many of the SLEARs
etc
> are really STEARs etc. The marriage of my oldest known ancestor is in the
> IGI as Wm SLEAR for this very reason. There's an IGI entry for a "Martha
> Longman SLEER or STUR or STEER"
>
> Below are the British IGI and 1881 census entries for the SLEARs, from
> http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp. Any thoughts?
>
> John Steer, Dorking, England
>
> IGI
> ADNAR SLEAR: Mar 13 NOV 1755 Halesowen, Worcester
> Elizabeth Slier: Bir About 1596 Of, Crowhurst, Surrey
> Elizabeth Slier: Bir About 1596 Of, Crowhurst, Surrey
> ELIZABETH SLIER: Mar 22 JUN 1617 Crowhurst, Surrey
> ELIZABETH SLEERE: Chr 15 JUN 1628 Crediton, Devon
> ELIZABETH SLARE: Chr 12 APR 1705 St Andrew Holborn, London, London
> ESTHER SLIER: Chr 08 APR 1798 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire
> Humphrey Slear: Bir About 1626 Of, Uffculme, Devon
> Humphrey Slear: Bir About 1626 Of, Uffculme, Devon
> HUMPHREY SLEAR: Mar 12 AUG 1651 Uffculme, Devon
> JOAN SLEERE: Chr 11 NOV 1629 Crediton, Devon
> JOHN SLEAR: Mar 28 JUN 1579 Reading, Berkshire
> JOHN SLEERE: Chr 11 NOV 1629 Crediton, Devon
> JOHN SLEAR: Mar 10 FEB 1705 Saint Peter, Nottingham, Nottingham
> JOHN SLIERR: Chr 12 APR 1773 Sutton Coldfield, Warwick
> Martha Longman Sleer or Stur or Steer: Bir 31 DEC 1844 , Devon
> MARY SLARE: Chr 11 DEC 1639 St Giles Cripplegate, London, London
> PETER SLEER: Mar 1713 Spreyton, Devon
> ROSA ANNIE SLER: Chr 10 DEC 1845 Saint Mark, Kennington, London
> Samuel sleer: Mar 07 FEB 1799 Staplehurst, Kent
> THOMAS SLARE: Mar 12 JUL 1764 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick
> WM SLEAR: Mar 27 APR 1713 Manby, , Lincoln
>
> 1881 Census
> James OR...SLARE: Lancashire, Birth Liverpool, Lancashire
> Margaret OR...SLARE: Lancashire, Birth Wigan, Lancashire
> Ann OR...SLARE: Lancashire, Birth Wigan, Lancashire
> Mary OR...SLARE: Lancashire, Birth Wigan, Lancashire
> James OR...SLARE: Lancashire, Birth Wigan, Lancashire
> Ellen SLEAR: Surrey, Birth Abberford, York
> William SLER: Surrey, Birth Alstrip, Derby
> John SLARE: Sussex, Birth Ewhurst, Sussex
> Mary A. SLARE: Sussex, Birth Ewhurst, Sussex
> James SLARE: Sussex, Birth Ewhurst, Sussex
> William SLARE: Sussex, Birth Hawkhurst, Kent
> Daniel SLARE: Durham, Birth Ireland
> Mary SLARE: Durham, Birth Ireland
> John SLARE: Durham, Birth Darlington, Durham
> Siranne SLARE: Durham, Birth Darlington, Durham
> Michael SLARE: Durham, Birth Darlington, Durham
> Catherine SLARE: Durham, Birth Shildon, Durham
>
>
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