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From: "Jack Steer" <>
Subject: Re: [STEER] Does anyone recognise these STEERs?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:41:21 -0000
References: <000001c4c198$8eb89df0$0602a8c0@suzanna>


Fiona,
Fiona,

You wrote

<Charles STEER (? 1842) m Elizabeth HILL. I have details about her but not
him apart from census record below. I found him via her details. Charles was
a furniture dealer, the family lived in Rotherham in 1901 and he was 59 at
the time of the census.

They had 4 children as follows:

Charles 1874-late 1930s

George Albert 1875-

Elizabeth 1877-

Maud Mary 1878-1951>

Am I right in thinking that this is the Charles and Elizabeth that you found
on the 1901 census?

Census Place: Rotherham, Yorkshire Address:

Page ID 1043206 Piece 4391 Folio1 - 64 Folio2 - 65

Name Relationship
Marr Age Sex
Occupation Birthplace

Charles STEER
Head - 59
M Furniture dealer
Rotherham, Yorkshire

Elizabeth
STEER - -
58 F -
Ecclesfield, Yorkshire

Elizabeth
STEER - -
21 F -
Rotherham, Yorkshire

If so, then I think this is the same couple on the 1881 census

Census Place: Rotherham, Yorkshire Address: 58
Westgate

Source: FHL Film 1342130 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4671 Folio 37 Page 17

Name Relationship
Marr Age Sex
Occupation Birthplace

Charles STEER Head
M 39 M
Furniture dealer Rotherham, Yorkshire

Elizabeth STERR (STEER) Wife
M 38
F - Sheffield, Yorkshire

John STERR (STEER)
- 9 M
Scholar Rotherham, Yorkshire

Ruben STERR (STEER)
- 6 M
Scholar Rotherham, Yorkshire
Dumb

Wilfred STERR (STEER)
- 4 M
Scholar Rotherham, Yorkshire

Charlotte STERR (STEER)
Daughter U 15
F Scholar Rotherham,
Yorkshire

Elizabeth STERR (STEER)
Daughter - 1
F - Rotherham, Yorkshire

None of these names tie up with the four children you listed.

The Elizabeth HILL that John found looks more likely, but without knowing
the source of your Charles, George Albert, Elizabeth and Maud Mary, I can't
be certain.

John wrote

<What I would question is Elizabeth's status of unmarried, if she was
widowed then it should say that, she could have said of herself that she was
no longer married for whatever reason. If she had never married then the
children should normally have taken her name of HILL, if she had been marrie
d then why is she HILL unless she remarried and lost another husband in the
short time since Maud's birth.>

There is another option that could fit this scenario. Perhaps Elizabeth
never married a STEER, but was a common law wife. The children may well have
been registered and/or baptised as STEER, but Elizabeth remained HILL. My
grandfather was registered as STEER even though his mother did not marry
until two months later - she is recorded as Eliza Jane LUSCOMBE and I'm
fairly sure that there is a family in Aveton Gifford at about the same time
who were all baptised as JEWELL, but appear on the census as STEER.

So perhaps the question should be - who and where was the STEER father?

He may have been working away, a sailor, in the army or even had two
families. I have twenty-six entries for Charles on the 1881 census that are
just possible, but won't bore you with the details, as I'm no longer sure
that it was a Charles.

Regards,

Jack Steer





----- Original Message -----
From: "Fiona Stephens" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: [STEER] Does anyone recognise these STEERs?


> Since my first post a couple of weeks ago I have ascertained the
> following about my ancestors:
>
> Charles STEER (? 1842) m Elizabeth HILL. I have details about her but
> not him apart from census record below. I found him via her details.
> Charles was a furniture dealer, the family lived in Rotherham in 1901,
> and he was 59 at the time of the census.
>
> They had 4 children as follows:
>
> Charles 1874-late 1930s
> George Albert 1875-
> Elizabeth 1877-
> Maud Mary 1878-1951
>
> Charles married Sophie. Their son Wilfred STEER (1906-1956) was my
> grandfather. Wilfred was born in Doncaster.
>
> The only Charles STEER that matches their son in terms of age that I
> could find on the 1901 census was lodging in Doncaster, with a wife
> called Agnes. He was a railway worker. However, Wilfred's mother is
> listed as Sophie. So I will need to investigate further as I cannot see
> another Charles that fits the picture.
>
> This would therefore put the Steers as from around the S Yorkshire area?
> The Lincs connection is my grandmother's family.
>
> Regards
> Fiona Stephens
>
>
>
>
>
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