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From: "Jack Steer" <>
Subject: Re: [STEER] Percy Neville Steers
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:43:11 -0000
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Margaret,

Many thanks for all the census entries. They were really helpful.



Afraid I am back being confused again. Hammersmith and Fulham Borough
Council have Waltham Green, the late Victorian OS map has Walham Green as
does the modern estate agents site. It looks as though both spellings are
used.

http://www.streetdeeds.co.uk/neighbourHood/Chelsea_Village/SW6-1HZ

http://www.mappalondon.com/london/south-west/waltham-green.htm

http://www.londondirectory.co.uk/Hammersmith_and_Fulham/ - Waltham Green



Regards,

Jack Steer



----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret Wilkinson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STEER] Percy Neville Steers


>
> Jack, Not sure if Kevin has access to census, he might know a bit more
> about Percy Steers' parentage if he did.
>
> I've looked this family up from 1851 census, 1851 very nicely confirms Dec
> qtr 1849 Kensington marriage of Richard Steers to Frances Ann Cannon
> 1871 does look like Waltham Green rather than Walham Green, and whereas I
> have no knowledge of the area, Waltham Green does appear on several web
> sites as an area in Fulham. 1881 and 1891 appear to confirm Emily's
> 'maiden' name.
>
> The only 'Percy Neville' birth registration about the right time and place
> is as follows -
>
> Births Tunbridge
> MALLCUMBER Percy Neville
> Mar qtr 1870 Vol 2a p591
>
> 1851
> Richard Steers, Head, Mar, M, 35, Farrier, Mddx, Fulham
> Ann Steers, Wife, Mar, F, 28, Surrey, Kingston
> David Steers, Son, M, 8, Middx, Chelsea
> Richard Steers, Son, M, 2, Mddx, Fulham
> William Steers, Son, M, 3 mths, Mddx, St Giles
> Elizabeth Cannon, Mother in law, Mar, F, 56, Surrey, Wimbledon
> Address 2, Crown Place, St Giles in the Fields
> Class: HO107; Piece: 1509; Folio: 277; Page: 16
>
> 1861
> Richard Steers, Head, Mar, M, 44, Farrier, Middlesex, Fulham
> Frances A Steers, Wife, Mar, F, 34, Surrey, Kingston
> Richard Steers, Son, M, 13, Scholar at Home, Middlesex, Fulham
> William Steers, Son, M, 11, Scholar at Home, Middlesex, St Giles
> Edward Steers, Son, M, 9, Scholar at Home, Kent, Sydenham
> Charles Steer, Son, M, 7, Scholar at Home, Middlesex, Shepherds Bush
> Elizabeth Steers, Daur, F, 5, Scholar at Home, Middlesex, Notting Hill
> Frank Steers, Son, M, 1, Surrey, Southwark
> Address 54, Wellington St, Southwark
> Class: RG9; Piece: 331; Folio: 42; Page: 17
>
> 1871
> Richard Steers, Head, Mar, M, 22, Blacksmith, Middx, Waltham Green
> Emily Steers, Wife, Mar, F, Kent, Fordcombe
> Percy N Steers, Son, M, 1, Kent, Tonbridge Wells
> Address 13, Woodland Place, Tonbridge
> Class: RG10; Piece: 933; Folio: 24; Page: 20
>
> 1881
> Richard Steers, Head, Mar, M, 32, Blacksmith, Mddx, Fulham
> Emily Steers, Wife, Mar, F, 32, Laundress, Kent, Penshurst
> Percy Steers, Son, M, 11, Scholar, Tun Wells
> Maud Steers, Daur, F, 6, Scholar, Tun Wells
> Address 'Calverley Mews', Tunbridge Wells
> Class: RG11; Piece: 913; Folio: 116; Page: 41
>
> John Mallcumber, Head, Mar, M, (?57), Carman, Kent, Penshurst
> Eliza Mallcumber, Wife, Mar, F, 63, Kent, Speldhurst
> Richard Steers, Grandson, M, 8, Scholar, Kent, Tun Wells
> Blanche Steers, Grandaughter, F, 4, Scholar, Tun Wells
> Address 35, Quarry Rd, Tunbridge Wells
> Class: RG11; Piece: 916; Folio: 133; Page: 43
>
> 1891
> (possibly)
> Percy Stiers, Boarder, Unm, M, 20, Blacksmith, Tun Wells
> Address 17, Cheriton Road, Folkestone, Kent
> Class: RG12; Piece: 750; Folio 96; Page 1
>
> Richard Steers, Head, Mar, M, 42, Blacksmith and Shoesmith, London, Fulham
> Emily Steers, Wife, Mar, F, 42, Kent, Tun Wells
> Richard Steers, Son, Unm, M, 18, Groom, Kent, Tunb Wells
> Maud Steers, Daur, Unm, F, 16, General Servant (Dom), Tunb Wells
> Blanche Steers, Daur, F, 14, Nurse Under (Domestic), Kent, Tunb Wells
> Eliza Steers, Daur, F, 8, Scholar, Kent, Tunb Wells
> Lottie Steer, Daur, F, 6, Scholar, Kent, Tunb Wells
> Cyril Steers, Son, M, 4, Scholar, Kent, Tunb Wells
> Eliza Mallcomber, Mother, Wid, F, 73, No occupation, Kent, Speldhurst
> Address 46, Quarry Road, Tunbridge Wells
>
> 1901
> Not yet found (I'm taking a break!!)
>
>
> Hope this helps, certainly gives food for thought, I think
>
> Margaret
>
>
>> From:
>> To:
>> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:53:31 +0000
>> CC:
>> Subject: Re: [STEER] Percy Neville Steers
>>
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> What I can find on your family is below. It is very limited at this
>> stage. I think that the most useful addition to the information would be
>> full transcriptions of the family from the censuses. I don't have access
>> to Ancestry, but as you [posted a synopsis of the 1871 census, I rather
>> assumed that you did have access.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I am not sure about is whether any of these belong to your family.
>>
>> Q1 1843 Richard STEERS was married in Kensington, Middlesex district (GRO
>> III 158). The brides listed on Free BDM are Lydia ELCOCK, Sarah HOTHAM,
>> Louisa Ann OSBORN and Millicent WAREHAM
>>
>> Q1 1849 Richard STEERS was married in Kensington, Middlesex district (GRO
>> III 238). The brides listed on Free BDM are Sarah BUCKLAND, Frances Ann
>> CANNON, Amelia MORTLOCK and Urania SMITH
>>
>> I was wondering whether this Richard was your Richard's father. The 1851
>> census may help with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I found these records of birth registrations and thought that they
>> may well be the siblings of Ellen Elsie. All three were registered in
>> Elham, Kent district.
>>
>> Q3 1898 Violet STEERS GRO 2a 1069
>>
>> Q2 1901 Frank Neville STEERS GRO 2a 1083
>>
>> Q2 1903 John Walter STEERS GRO 2a 1157
>>
>>
>>
>> But I still can't find a record of the birth of Percy Neville STEERS, nor
>> the marriage of his father Richard STEERS to Emily.
>>
>>
>>
>> You mentioned Waltham Green in Middlesex in the 1871 census. I cannot be
>> certain, but suspect that it should be Walham Green. I've never heard of
>> Waltham Green in Fulham, but my parents were married in the church on
>> Walham Green. I found this on the web
>>
>> Walham Green is, or rather was, a triangular plot of greensward on the
>> north side of the Fulham Road, upon which, in former times, donkeys had
>> been wont to graze and the village children to play at cricket.
>>
>> From: 'Fulham: Walham Green and North End', Old and New London: Volume 6
>> (1878), pp. 521-528. URL:
>> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45296
>>
>>
>>
>> You asked if I was related to Percy Neville STEERS. Afraid not, my family
>> originated in South Devon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you know that there is a STEER discussion list. It is relevant to
>> anyone researching the name, no matter where the origins. Anyone who has
>> an interest in the STEER/STEERE/STURE/STEAR etc name is invited to
>> subscribe to the STEER list by sending a message with just the command
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>>
>> We have a lot of extremely knowledgeable members, including a number of
>> people who may well be your distant cousins.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can visit the STEER family history web site to find out more -
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~frances.steer/STEER/STEER_Home.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll post a copy of this to the list to see if anyone can connect to your
>> branch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jack Steer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> GENERATION 1
>>
>> Richard STEERS - Q1 1849 birth registered in Kensington, Middlesex
>> district (GRO III 350) -
>>
>> Married Emily
>>
>> [1871 - Richard STEERS (blacksmith aged 22, born Walham Green, Middlesex)
>> living at 13 Woodlands Place, Tonbridge, Kent with wife Emily (aged 22,
>> born Penshurst, Kent) and son Percy (aged 1, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent)]
>>
>> [1881 - Richard STEERS (blacksmith aged 32, born Fulham, Middlesex)
>> living at Calverley Mews and Tap, Tunbridge Wells, Kent with wife Emily
>> (laundress aged 32, born Penshurst, Kent), son Percy (scholar aged 11,
>> born Tunbridge Wells, Kent) and daughter Maud (scholar aged 6, born
>> Tunbridge Wells, Kent)]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> GENERATION 2
>>
>> Children of Richard STEERS and Emily
>>
>> Percy Neville STEERS - 1869/70 born Tunbridge Wells, Kent - died approx
>> 1946
>>
>> [1871 - Percy STEERS (aged 1, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent) living at 13
>> Woodlands Place, Tonbridge, Kent with parents - see above]
>>
>> [1881 - Percy STEERS (scholar aged 11, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent) living
>> at Calverley Mews and Tap, Tunbridge Wells, Kent with parents - see
>> above]
>>
>> Married in Q3 1891 in Elham, Kent district (GRO 2a 1701) to Emily
>> Elizabeth STONE - born about 1870 - died about 1942
>>
>> Emily STEERS born approx 1870 died approx 1942
>>
>> Maud Evangeline STEERS - Q4 1874 birth registered in Tunbridge Wells,
>> Kent district (GRO 2a 577) -
>>
>> [1881 - Maud STEERS (scholar aged 6, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent) living
>> at Calverley Mews and Tap, Tunbridge Wells, Kent with parents - see
>> above]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> GENERATION 3
>>
>> Children of Percy Neville STEERS and Emily Elizabeth nee STONE
>>
>> Ellen Elsie STEERS - Q2 1893 birth registered in Elham, Kent district
>> (GRO 2a 1000) - 10.1.1978 died St Paul's Cray, Orpington, Kent
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kevin Bottle
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:23 AM
>> Subject: Percy Neville Steers
>>
>>
>> Jack
>> I don't have a birth certificate for Percy Neville Steers but the census
>> records for 1871 he puts him at aged 1living with his parents Richard
>> Steers and Emily Steers at 13 Woodlands Place Tonbridge. It says Percy
>> was born in Tunbridge Wells Kent.It says that Richard was born in Waltham
>> Green in Middlesex. In the 1871 census Richard and Emily were both aged
>> 22 years and puts there birth at 1849 approx.Richards occupation was
>> Blacksmith. My nan use to call her grandfather a blacksmith and a horse
>> doctor as he apparebntly had some skill in curing horses of certain
>> ailments. She also said that he was a heavy drinker.
>> My grandmother Ellen Elsie Steers died on the 10 Jan 1978 she was living
>> with me and my mum at St Pauls Cray Orpington Kent. Are you related to
>> Percy Neville Steers?
>>
>> Hope this helps any info you can supply would be great.
>>
>> Cheers Kev
>>
>>
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