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From: "Jack Steer" <>
Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:07:42 -0000
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Margaret,

<Shipping/naturalisation records may provide further clues. The above
record for John Thomas STEER shows that he was primary immigrant - does this
mean that he was the main person and that other unnamed people may have
travelled with him?>

I think the answer is yes and it could be either

<I don't know much about the process of naturalisation, but think it might
take more than 2 years, more like 5 years. And perhaps not at age 13.>

I suspect that naturalisation in nineteenth century America was both easy
and quick. But the age makes me wonder if he really did take that route in
1884.

<I think I am at a full stop with this family in America.>

Ditto



Regards,

Jack Steer



----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret Wilkinson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER



Jack,

I have rechecked 1901 census, and John E STEER definitely given before his
sister, and aged 17.
Didn't find marriage record for Errol John and Katherine C.

>I thought Nebraska was landlocked. Perhaps the records refer to a statement
>he made at the port of entry.

I didn't look it up on the map until you said. It is indeed landlocked, I
have looked at the references again, how can they both be on page 133?

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Name: John Thomas Steer
Year: 1885
Place: Nebraska
Source Publication Code: 1552.10
Primary Immigrant: Steer, John Thomas

Annotation: Date and place of declaration of intention. Extracted from
microfilm records at the Nebraska State Historical Society. Country of
origin and county, book, and page number of original records are also
provided.
Source Bibliography: DE VRIES, ELLEN M. AND RAYMOND D. Irish and
Scotch-Irish Who Made A Declaration of Intention to Naturalize from Cass,
Douglas, Lancaster, Nemaha, Otoe, Richardson, Sarpy and York Counties in
Nebraska, 1855-1940. Lincoln, NE: Nebraskans of Irish and Scotch-Irish
Ancestry, 1997. 152p.
Page: 133

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Name: John H. Steer
Year: 1892
Place: Nebraska
Source Publication Code: 1552.10
Primary Immigrant: Steer, John H.

Annotation: Date and place of declaration of intention. Extracted from
microfilm records at the Nebraska State Historical Society. Country of
origin and county, book, and page number of original records are also
provided.
Source Bibliography: DE VRIES, ELLEN M. AND RAYMOND D. Irish and
Scotch-Irish Who Made A Declaration of Intention to Naturalize from Cass,
Douglas, Lancaster, Nemaha, Otoe, Richardson, Sarpy and York Counties in
Nebraska, 1855-1940. Lincoln, NE: Nebraskans of Irish and Scotch-Irish
Ancestry, 1997. 152p.
Page: 133


>Is this when the children were taken to USA, perhaps with their cousin John
>Horace?.
> Possibly, but Harry W claimed in both the 1900 and 1920 censuses that he
> arrived in 1882 and in the 1920 census he claimed that he was naturalised
> in
> 1884.

Shipping/naturalisation records may provide further clues. The above
record for John Thomas STEER shows that he was primary immigrant - does this
mean that he was the main person, and that other unnamed people may have
travelled with him?

A lot of claims on US census for this family appear to be incorrect and
inconsistent.
Harry W V STEER claims immigration in 1882, naturalisation in 1884. His
sister Florence Mary claims immigration 1884, naturalisation by marriage in
1901. I think it perhaps unlikely that they went separately, though they
may have done.
I don't know much about the process of naturalisation, but think it might
take more than 2 years, more like 5 years. And perhaps not at age 13.
''From 1824 to 1906, minor aliens who had arrived in the United States as a
minor at least 3 years before their 18th birthday could petition for
naturalization at the age of 21.''

John Horace STEER and Mary Ann SPECK claim immigration in 1881,
naturalisation in 1890 (1920). By 1930, John Horace has changed his mind to
having immigrated in 1887.

Without access to US records, and without more knowledge of what I should be
looking for/at (such as where Nebraska is!!), I think I am at a full stop
with this family in America.

Margaret


> From:
> To:
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:09:50 +0000
> Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>
>
> Margaret,
>
> Many thanks for the additional information.
>
>
>
> I’m sure that you are right and that the one thing that seems wrong in the
> 1901 census for John H is the age of John E. At 17 that would mean Mary
> was
> either not his mother or she had him at 15. Her birth is recorded in
> Stepney
> for Q1 1869. Have you had a chance to check the ages on the original
> census
> documents?
>
> Did you see anything on the Florida Marriage Index for the marriage of
> Errol
> John to the Katherine C from the 1930 census?
>
>
>
> have him landing in Nebraska in 1885>
>
> I thought Nebraska was landlocked. Perhaps the records refer to a
> statement
> he made at the port of entry.
>
>
>
> John Horace?).>
>
> Possibly, but Harry W claimed in both the 1900 and 1920 censuses that he
> arrived in 1882 and in the 1920 census he claimed that he was naturalised
> in
> 1884.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jack Steer
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margaret Wilkinson"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>
>
>
> Jack, There is so much unknown about this family in USA - when and why
> they
> went, if and why they returned to England and why they went back again.
> Speculation only at present, and likely to remain so.
>
> John Thomas STEER, uncle of Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary
> STEER was appointed as joint executor of their father's Will in 1881, in
> which William STEER left all his money and property to the two youngsters,
> aged 10 and 7.
> Either acting in their best interests and providing a better life for
> them,
> or playing the role of big, bad uncle, getting them out of the way, the
> children were sent/taken to USA.
> It is worth noting that the first available records for them in USA are in
> Oklahoma in 1900. Oklahoma was partially Indian Territory in 1881 -
> depending where the children were sent, they could have been right in the
> middle of fighting and difficult times- perhaps an easy way to get rid of
> them.
> But it would take a large chunk out of the inheritance to do this, so
> perhaps Uncle John was a goody after all.
>
> 1890 USA Census was destroyed in the main, the first records found for
> them
> are in 1900 USA census, so no idea what happened to the children in the
> intervening years.
> John Thomas STEER is missing from 1891 England census, shipping records
> have
> him landing in Nebraska in 1885 (Is this when the children were taken to
> USA, perhaps with their cousin John Horace?). He is back in England for
> 1901 England census.
>
> 1901
> Thomas Steer, Head, Mar, M, 72, Retired Farmer, London, St Pancras
> Eliza Steer, Wife, Mar, F, 75, Surrey, Lingfield
> Address Lumley Rd, Horley, Surrey
> Class: RG13; Piece: 629; Folio: 81; Page: 47
>
> His son John Horace STEER possibly appears in 1891 England census, though
> unconfirmed.
> 1891
> John H Steer, Visitor, Unm, M, 30, Farmer, London
> Address 15, King Henry's Rd, Hampstead, London
> Class: RG12; Piece: 111; Folio 4; Page 2
> (Head of household - Adolphus Clark, Soda Water Manufacturer)
>
> Followed by -
> Marriages Epping
> STEER John Horace, SPECK Mary Ann
> Jun qtr 1891 Vol 4a p329
>
> Shipping records have a John H STEER landing in Nebraska in 1892
>
> 1901
> John H Steer, Head, Mar, M, 40, Prudential Assurance Agent, Worker,
> London,
> Regents Park
> Mary A Steer, Wife, Mar, F, 32, London, Stepney
> John E Steer, Son, Unm, M, 17, USA, Oklahoma, B.S.
> Mary A Steer, Daur, Unm, F, 9, Scholar, USA, Nebraska
> Address Weather Hill, Burstow, Surrey
> Class: RG13; Piece: 629; Folio: 198; Page: 15
>
> John E STEER is probably John AKA Errol STEER, from USA records likely to
> have been born 1893/1894 rather than 1883/1884 (from US census and death
> index). I have rechecked 1901 England census and John E definitely appears
> first aged 17 as given.
>
> 1920 USA census
> Steer, John H, Head, House owned not mortgaged, M, W, 60, Mar, Immig 1881,
> Nat 1890, R & W, Born England, Lang English, Parents born England, Lang
> English, Contractor, Painting, Employer
> Steer, Mary A, Wife, F, W, 57, Mar, Immig 1881, Nat 1890, R & W, Born
> England, Lang English, Parents born England, Lang English, None
> Steer Errol J, Son, M, W, 26, Unm, R & W, Born Oklahoma, Lang English,
> Parents born England, Lang English, Salesman, Hardware, Worker
> 6th Street, Moore Haven Town, De Soto, Florida
> Roll: T625_217; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 26; Image: 543.
>
> 1930 USA census
> Steer Errol J, Head, House owned, Value 2500, Owns radio, Not live on a
> farm, M, W, 40, Mar, Age at first marriage 37, Not attended school in last
> year, R & W, Born Oklahoma, Father born England, Mother born England,
> Merchant, Hardware Store, Worked yesterday, US Army/Navy veteran, served
> in
> WW
> Steer Katherine C, Wife H, F, W, 36, Mar, Age at first marriage 33, Not
> attended scholl in last year, R & W, Born Louisiana, Father born
> Missisipi,
> Mother born Louisiana, Speaks English, Nurse, Red Cross, Worked yesterday,
> Steer John H, Father, M, W, 70, Wid, Age at first marriage 27, Not
> attended
> school last year, R & W, Born England, Father born England, Mother born
> England, Language prior to entering USA English, Imm 1887, Pa, Speaks
> English, Occupation None
> Sch 184 - 185
> Precinct 1,Glades, Florida
> Roll: 317; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 260.0.
>
> (Probable marriage, it is an unusual name)
> Florida Marriage Index
> Marriage Hillsborough
> STEER Errol John
> PURCELL Margaret
> 1935 Vol 285 No 4281
>
> US Social Security Death Index
> Errol STEER
> Birth Date: 24 Nov 1893
> Death Date: 29 Jan 1989
> Social Security Number: 262-36-2152
> State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Florida
> Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 33614
> Localities: Egypt Lake, Hillsborough, Florida
> Hilldale, Hillsborough, Florida
> Ralston Beach, Hillsborough, Florida
> Sweetwater Creek, Hillsborough, Florida
> Tampa, Hillsborough, Florida
>
> Florida Death Index, 1877-1998
> Name: Errol John Steer
> Death Date: 29 Jan 1989
> County of Death: Hillsborough
> State of Death: Florida
> Age at Death: 94
> Race: White
> Birth Date: 24 Nov 1894
>
> On the basis of probability I think that 1901 England census has incorrect
> age for John Errol STEER and that his parents did not go to USA prior to
> 1892. As to age at first marriage for John Horace STEER, perhaps he
> married
> twice.
> There are numerous discrepancies in years of immigration and
> naturalisation
> of this family from census to census and I know that both John Horace
> STEER
> and Mary Ann SPECK give immigration earlier than this. Ancestry newsletter
> yesterday gave clues as to where to find naturalisation records, and the
> sort of information found on them. This might be the way to go forward
> with
> this family, to see if definite names, places and years can be
> established.
> Neither John Horace STEER nor Errol John STEER found in 1910 US census
>
> I have no explanations, only conjecture.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>> From:
>> To:
>> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:49:05 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>>
>>
>> Margaret,
>>
>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/steer/2004-06/1087305652>;
>>
>> Afraid that I have no idea.
>>
>> Surrey>
>>
>> There is a great deal more information on this Devon family. Henry Steers
>> III has been a member of this list and he is the only direct descendent
>> with
>> whom I have had contact. I am not aware of any connection to Surrey or to
>> Twylla-Dawn.
>>
>>
>>
>> You identified the marriage of John Horace STEER to Mary Ann SPECK in
>> Epping, Essex district in Q2 1891. I’m just wondering why he returned
>> from
>> America to get married. He appears in the 1930 US census as having been
>> aged
>> 27 at his first marriage and having emigrated to US in 1887. He was born
>> in
>> Q1 1861 St Pancras, Middlesex district.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jack Steer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Margaret Wilkinson"
>> To: ; "Twylla-Dawn Steer"
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack, Have you any idea as to why John was interested in this family in
>> 2004?
>>
>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/steer/2004-06/1087305652
>>
>> He mentions a ship building family, which Florence Mary STEER also
>> mentions
>> in her family tree, but I have found no evidence of a connection.
>>
>> She states that Henry STEER, brother of Benjamin et al (thus son of John
>> STEER and Ann STEER) was a shipbuilder in New York.
>> No ‘Henry’ known to have been born to John STEER and Ann STEER.
>> Henry STEER of New York ship building fame generally thought to be
>> descended
>> from Henry STURE, born 1779 in Devon.
>>
>> ‘'A branch of this Devon family is settled in America. The blood of the
>> Viking ancestry showed itself in the enterprise and genius of Henry
>> STEER,
>> grandson of the above Henry STURE, who crossed the Atlantic in 1824, and
>> founded the eminent ship-building firm in New York of this name.
>> NOTES ON THE STURE FAMILY OF ENGLAND By Rev. W. H. HORNBY STEER B.A.''
>> http://homepages.which.net/~peter.gale/Sterhist.html
>>
>> ''Henry STEERS was born 14 September 1832 in New York City. He died 29
>> September 1903 in Fall River, Massachusetts.''
>> http://ragette.org/Ultimate/companies/hsteers/steerstext.htm
>>
>> Various other online references to this family, no known connection to
>> Surrey, England.
>>
>> Possibly/presumably John was making enquiries for someone else, who had
>> been
>> told about a ship-building connection. I'd love to know who! I'm just
>> wondering if it was by any chance William Frank STEER, who died in 2006,
>> aged 105. Perhaps Twylla-Dawn STEER knows?
>>
>> Twylla-Dawn sent some money for the 3 Wills, with what is left over I am
>> going to send for Sophia STEER's birth certificate, try to find her
>> mother's
>> maiden name and hopefully a little more about her. Information from
>> Florence's tree is that ''George STEER married Lady Mary, died 1861 – was
>> Scotch, Grand Opera Singer at Drury Lane Theatre for charity only.''
>>
>> BTW, I am not sure whether in 9) below CRIAN Lawrence is as was spelt on
>> the
>> record, or is a typing error by myself. I would think the latter, as I
>> have
>> not documented anything about the spelling. As I looked it up on a 2
>> week's
>> trial of US Ancestry, I cannot recheck the original records.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>>> From:
>>> To:
>>> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:18:34 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for all the improvements. Am most grateful.
>>>
>>> You asked if I had seen a better copy of the census forms. The answer is
>>> that I have not seen any and was relying on a transcription from
>>> elsewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jack Steer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Margaret Wilkinson"
>>> To: ; "Twylla-Dawn Steer"
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jack, A few comments, corrections and additions.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Harry William Vernon STEER married Jessie Maud LANDIS 27 Jun 1899 in
>>>> Chandler, Oklahoma, USA.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Their children were William Frank STEER and Jessie Fay STEER.
>>>>
>>>> 3) 1910 census - I can't read the name of Franklin STEER as son of
>>>> HWVSteer. There is something illegible written after the name Frank.
>>>> Have
>>>> you seen a better copy than I have?
>>>>
>>>> 4) William Frank STEER married Doveline Fyfe Kaaloalaikini NOTLEY.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Florence Mary STEER - birth registered in Mar qtr 1874, thus was not
>>>> born 5 May 1874, though she believed this to be her date of birth.
>>>>
>>>> 6) Mark Wesley CRAIN born 29 Jun 1872, according to family tree
>>>> prepared
>>>> by his wife, so likely to be accurate, though maybe not, if she didn't
>>>> know her own birth date.
>>>>
>>>> 7) My interpretation of Mark Wesley CRAIN's occupation in 1920 is
>>>> 'Carpenter, Concrete Ships'.
>>>>
>>>> 8) Children of Florence Mary STEER and Mark Wesley CRAIN were as
>>>> follows -
>>>>
>>>> Florence Mary CRAIN was born on 2 Jun 1902 in Oklahoma, United States
>>>> of
>>>> America and died in Aug 1973 in Lakeside, San Diego, California, United
>>>> States of America aged 71.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Wesley CRAIN was born on 27 Jun 1903 in Oklahoma, United States of
>>>> America and died on 18 Dec 1983 in San Diego, California, United States
>>>> of
>>>> America aged 80.
>>>>
>>>> Gladys M CRAIN was born in 1906 in United States of America and died
>>>> aged
>>>> 5 months.
>>>>
>>>> Roy William CRAIN was born in 1908 in Idaho, United States of America.
>>>>
>>>> Fay Juanita CRAIN was born in 1910 in United States Of America.
>>>>
>>>> Lilian Rosilie CRAIN was born on 23 Mar 1913 in San Diego, California,
>>>> United States of America.
>>>>
>>>> Ethel Elvira CRAIN was born on 7 Apr 1916 in San Diego, California,
>>>> United
>>>> States of America.
>>>>
>>>> Lawrence Roland CRAIN was born on 17 Apr 1918 in San Diego, California,
>>>> United States of America and died on 19 Dec 1987 in Los Angeles,
>>>> California, United States of America aged 69.
>>>>
>>>> 9) New York Passenger List for Florence Mary CRAIN, nee STEER, 1921
>>>> Florence Mary Crain, 47, F, Mar, Naturalised by marriage 1901, Passport
>>>> no
>>>> 137412
>>>> Address in US - 3725, Marcey Ave, San Diego
>>>> Crian Laurence, 3yrs 4 mths, M, Unm, Born San Diego, California, 22
>>>> April
>>>> 1918, Father a citizen, Address in US - 3725, Marcey Ave, San Diego
>>>> Ship Name: Aquitania
>>>> Port of Departure: Southampton, England
>>>> Departure 3 Dec 1921
>>>> Port of Arrival: New York, New York
>>>> Arrival Date: 9 Dec 192
>>>>
>>>> 10) 1930 US census for William Frank STEER
>>>> Steer Frankie, Head, Rented home, (?Rentable)Value 25:00, Not on a
>>>> farm,
>>>> M, W, 27, Mar, Age 23 at first marriage, N/A school in past year, R &
>>>> W,
>>>> Born Oklahoma, Father born England, Mother born United States, Speaks
>>>> English, Lieutenant, Coast Artillery, Worked yesterday, US military or
>>>> Naval veteran, World War
>>>> Steer Mabel, Wife, F, W, 26, Mar, Age 22 at first marriage, N/A school
>>>> in
>>>> past year, R & W, Born Oklahoma, Parents born Ohio, Speaks English,
>>>> Occupation none
>>>> Chandler City, Lincoln, Oklahoma
>>>>
>>>> 11) 1930 US census for Florence SANGSTER, formerly EMBERLEY, nee CRAIN
>>>> Sangster Florence, Head H, Owns home, (Value illegible), Not on a farm,
>>>> F,
>>>> W, 27, D, Age 18 at first marriage, N/A school in past year, R & W,
>>>> Born
>>>> Oklahoma, Father born Kansas, Mother born England, Speaks English,
>>>> Clerk,
>>>> Confectionery, Worked yesterday
>>>> Emberly Rosebud, Daur, F, W, 8, Unm, Attended school in past year, Born
>>>> California, Father born Nova Scotia, Mother born Oklahoma, Occupation
>>>> None
>>>> Ramona Township, San Diego, California
>>>>
>>>> 12) 1930 US census for John Errol STEER and father John Horace STEER,
>>>> grandson and son of John Thomas STEER respectively (John Horace STEER
>>>> and
>>>> Harry William Vernon STEER cousins)
>>>> Steer Errol J, Head, Owns home, Value 2500, Owns radio, Not live on a
>>>> farm, M, W, 40, Mar, Age 37 at first marriage, N/A school in last year,
>>>> R
>>>> & W, Born Oklahoma, Father born England, Mother born England, ,
>>>> Merchant,
>>>> Hardware Store, Worked yesterday, US Army/Navy veteran, served in WW
>>>> Steer Katherine C, Wife H, F, W, 36, Mar, Age at first marriage 33, N/A
>>>> school in last year, R & W, Born Louisiana, Father born Missisipi,
>>>> Mother
>>>> born Louisiana, Speaks English, Nurse, Red Cross, Worked yesterday,
>>>> Steer John H, Father, M, W, 70, Wid, Age at marriage 27, Not attended
>>>> school last year, R & W, Born England, Father born England, Mother born
>>>> England, Language prior to entering USA English, Imm 1887, Pa, Speaks
>>>> English, Occupation None
>>>> Precinct 1,Glades, Florida
>>>>
>>>> Margaret
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From:
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:37:20 +0000
>>>>> Subject: [STEER] Harry William Vernon STEER and Florence Mary STEER
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jack Steer
>>>>> Banbury
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Harry William Vernon STEER - 15.10.1871 born Southwark St Saviour,
>>>>> Surrey, Q4 1871 birth registered Southwark St Saviour, Surrey district
>>>>> (GRO 1d 20) - 26.12.1967 died Oklahoma, USA aged 96
>>>>>
>>>>> [1881 - Harry W V STEER (aged 9, born Southwark, Surrey) living at 50
>>>>> Lant Street, Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey with widowed father -
>>>>> see
>>>>> above]
>>>>>
>>>>> [1882 - arrived in America]
>>>>>
>>>>> [1884 - took American citizenship]
>>>>>
>>>>> Married in 1899 to Jessie W PLACE - February 1880 born Kansas
>>>>>
>>>>> [1900 US - Harry STEERS (Farmer aged 27, born England October 1872,
>>>>> married one year, immigrated 1882, naturalised, able to read and
>>>>> write)
>>>>> living in Osage, Lincoln County, Oklahoma with wife Jessie W (aged 20,
>>>>> born Kansas February 1880, married one year, no children, parents born
>>>>> Indiana), brother in law George PLACE (aged 14, born Kansas October
>>>>> 1886,
>>>>> parents born Indiana), and servant Grace MATHEWS (unmarried servant,
>>>>> aged
>>>>> 21, born Illinois February 1879, parents born Illinois)]
>>>>>
>>>>> Had two children, William Franklin and Jessie Fay STEER - Margaret
>>>>> WILKINSON
>>>>>
>>>>> [1910 US - Harry W STEER (Superintendent U S Rifle Range perhaps,
>>>>> rents
>>>>> farm, widower aged 38, born England) living in Chandler, Lincoln
>>>>> County,
>>>>> Oklahoma with his son Franklin (aged 9, born Oklahoma, parents born
>>>>> England and Kansas)]
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Harry W STEER (trader, hotel headquarters, on own account,
>>>>> widower aged 50, born England, immigrated 1882, naturalised 1884)
>>>>> boarding at 619 Manuel Avenue, Chandler township, Lincoln County,
>>>>> Oklahoma with son William F (no occupation, aged 19, unmarried, born
>>>>> Oklahoma, parents born England and Kansas)
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE 619 Manuel Avenue was a hotel with 3 employees and 7 boarders in
>>>>> addition to proprietor and family]
>>>>>
>>>>> Children of Harry William Vernon STEER and Jessie W PLACE
>>>>>
>>>>> William Frank STEER - 12.1.1901 born Agra, Lincoln County, Oklahoma -
>>>>> 7.3.2006 died aged 105, 22.3.2006 buried in Hawaii State Veterans
>>>>> Cemetery, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> [1910 US - Franklin STEER (aged 9, born Oklahoma, parents born England
>>>>> and Kansas) living in Chandler, Lincoln County, Oklahoma with his
>>>>> widowed
>>>>> father Harry W STEER (Superintendent U S Rifle Range perhaps, rents
>>>>> farm,
>>>>> widower aged 38, born England)]
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - William F STEER (no occupation, aged 19, unmarried, born
>>>>> Oklahoma, parents born England and Kansas) boarding at 619 Manuel
>>>>> Avenue,
>>>>> Chandler township, Lincoln County, Oklahoma with widowed father Harry
>>>>> W
>>>>> STEER (trader, hotel headquarters, on own account, widower aged 50,
>>>>> born
>>>>> England, immigrated 1882, naturalised 1884)
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE 619 Manuel Avenue was a hotel with 3 employees and 7 boarders in
>>>>> addition to proprietor and family]
>>>>>
>>>>> Married Doveline NOTLEY
>>>>>
>>>>> "Veteran of 2 world wars is ready to celebrate his 102nd birthday
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: Whatever happened to Col. William Frank STEER, who served in
>>>>> World War I and World War II and became the provost marshal in Hawaii
>>>>> after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour?
>>>>>
>>>>> Answer: STEER, who lives in Kailua, is looking forward to celebrating
>>>>> his
>>>>> 102nd birthday on Jan. 12 with two parties in his honour. He believes
>>>>> he
>>>>> holds the distinction of being the oldest World War I veteran and the
>>>>> oldest graduate of the Army's Military Academy at West Point.
>>>>>
>>>>> STEER is a member of the class of 1925 at West Point, and for more
>>>>> than
>>>>> 20 years he has delivered the oldest-graduate address to the annual
>>>>> March
>>>>> gathering of West Point's alumni and cadets in Hawaii.
>>>>>
>>>>> STEER continues to contribute articles to the academy's alumni
>>>>> magazine,
>>>>> "Assembly," and serves as the editor for his class.
>>>>>
>>>>> STEER was 16 and attending Oklahoma A&M College, now called Oklahoma
>>>>> State University, in 1917 when he decided to volunteer for the Army.
>>>>> He
>>>>> was assigned to the 33rd Division and served in France. He was
>>>>> honoured
>>>>> by the French government and given the country's Legion of Honour.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1918, he returned to the United States and attended West Point. The
>>>>> Army assigned him to Hawaii in 1930, and he was appointed commander of
>>>>> the Hawaii Department Military Police Company after the Dec. 7, 1941,
>>>>> Japanese attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> As provost marshal, STEER essentially was the chief of police in
>>>>> Hawaii
>>>>> and the Pacific, which were under marshal law. He oversaw curfew
>>>>> regulations, vital installations, prisoner-of-war camps and other
>>>>> security matters, said Dwylla-Dawn STEER, his oldest daughter.
>>>>>
>>>>> STEER served in Hawaii for 18 months before transferring to Mitchell
>>>>> Field in Long Island, New York. In 1948 he was assigned to the
>>>>> Pentagon
>>>>> as provost marshal of the United States Air Force. After 32 years in
>>>>> uniform, STEER retired on June 30, 1950.
>>>>>
>>>>> STEER moved around after his retirement, living in Hawaii, California,
>>>>> Oklahoma and elsewhere. He finally settled in 1968 in Hawaii, the home
>>>>> state of his wife, Doveline "Tootsie" NOTLEY, a native Hawaiian he met
>>>>> during his service in Hawaii."
>>>>>
>>>>> SOURCE - Honolulu Star Bulletin News -
>>>>> http://starbulletin.com/2002/12/28/news/whatever.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Jessie Fay STEER - 3.1.1903 born Agra, Lincoln County, Oklahoma -
>>>>> .6.1903
>>>>> died, perhaps in Oklahoma
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Florence Mary STEER - 5.5.1874 born Southwark St Saviour, Surrey, Q1
>>>>> 1874
>>>>> birth registered Southwark St Saviour, Surrey district (GRO 1d 62) -
>>>>> 23.9.1944 died San Diego, San Diego County California
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent to Oklahoma aged 7 or 8, to unknown relatives or maybe family
>>>>> friends - Margaret WILKINSON
>>>>>
>>>>> Married 24.3.1901 in Davis City, Lincoln County, Oklahoma, USA to Mark
>>>>> Wesley CRAIN - 1871/2 born Kansas, USA -
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mark Wesley CRAIN parents born Illinois and Tennessee]
>>>>>
>>>>> 1902/4 - first two children born in Oklahoma
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1906 the CRAIN family, moved to Twin Falls, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> 1906/7 - son born in Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> 1914/8 - three youngest children born in California
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1918 they moved to San Diego where they managed the Tourist Hotel
>>>>> on
>>>>> National Avenue in National City, California
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1920 Florence Mary was managing an apartment house, on her own
>>>>> account, in San Diego, California
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Mark Wesley CRAIN (carpenter (looks like concrete shiper?)
>>>>> born Kansas, aged 48, parents born Illinois and Tennessee) living at
>>>>> 630
>>>>> A Street, San Diego, San Diego County, California with wife Florence M
>>>>> (manager of an apartment house, on own account aged 43, born England,
>>>>> date of immigration unknown, naturalised 1901 perhaps) sons Mark
>>>>> Wesley
>>>>> (ice cream salesman, on own account aged 16, born Oklahoma, parents
>>>>> born
>>>>> Kansas and England), Ron? William (ice cream salesman, on own account
>>>>> aged 13, born Idaho, parents born Kansas and England) and Lawrence
>>>>> Roland
>>>>> (aged 1 year 8 months?, born California, parents born Kansas and
>>>>> England)
>>>>> and daughters Florence M (unmarried chocolate dipper in a candy
>>>>> factory
>>>>> aged 17, born Oklahoma, parents born Kansas and England), Lillian
>>>>> Rosalie
>>>>> (aged 6, born California, parents born Kansas and England) and Ethel
>>>>> Elvira (aged 3 years 8 months? , born California, parents born Kansas
>>>>> and
>>>>> England)]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Children of Mark Wesley CRAIN and Florence Mary nee STEER
>>>>>
>>>>> Florence Mary CRAIN - 2.6.1902 born Oklahoma, USA - 1973 died
>>>>> Lakeside,
>>>>> California, USA aged 71
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Florence M CRAIN (unmarried chocolate dipper in a candy
>>>>> factory aged 17, born Oklahoma, parents born Kansas and England)
>>>>> living
>>>>> at 630 A Street, San Diego, San Diego County, California with
>>>>> parents -
>>>>> see above]
>>>>>
>>>>> Married (1) 1920 to Jack EMBERLY -
>>>>>
>>>>> Married (2) 1925 to Charles SANGSTER - 1929 died
>>>>>
>>>>> Married (3) 1937 to Wesley BEADLE - 25.12.1893 born Lakeside,
>>>>> California - died Lakeside, California
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bonnie Dollie Beadle was born during a stormy night on Feb. 18, 1898.
>>>>> It
>>>>> took Dr. Mathewson two hours to drive from El Cajon. She died in 1965.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wesley was born on Christmas day, 1893. He died on a Christmas Eve.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Beadle's Corral and Stable was a busy place in the horse and
>>>>> buggy
>>>>> days. He also fixed pumps and windmills. He was active in civic
>>>>> affairs.
>>>>> He died in 1936, just as the American flag was being raised for
>>>>> Lakeside's Fourth of July Celebration. His wife, Belle, preceded him
>>>>> in
>>>>> 1930.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes attended Kelsey Jennings Business School, going by train each day
>>>>> after making freight deliveries by wagon to earn part of his schooling
>>>>> expenses. When World War I broke out, Wes responded by entering the
>>>>> Cavalry.
>>>>>
>>>>> After the 1927 flood, Wesley helped rebuild the bridge that had washed
>>>>> out. When a caretaker was needed for Lindo Park, the Chamber of
>>>>> Commerce
>>>>> recommended. Wes and his Rose Garden within the park was beautiful to
>>>>> see. January 1, 1951 he was honoured by the County of San Diego for
>>>>> fifteen years service to the community.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1937, Wesley and Florence CRAIN were married. Florence Mary CRAIN
>>>>> was
>>>>> born June 2, 1902, in Oklahoma. In 1906 the CRAIN family, Including
>>>>> Florence's 3 brothers and 2 sisters, moved to Twin Falls, Idaho. In
>>>>> 1918
>>>>> they moved to San Diego where they managed the Tourist Hotel on
>>>>> National
>>>>> Avenue in National City. In 1920 Florence married Jack EMBERLY. They
>>>>> had
>>>>> one daughter, Rose. In 1925 she married Charles SANGSTER. Their son,
>>>>> Robert, is now a well known building contractor in this area. Mr.
>>>>> SANGSTER died in 1929 and Florence cared for the 80 acre homestead on
>>>>> Mussey Grade, working at a restaurant in Ramona at the same time. By
>>>>> February 1937, she owned a cafe on Woodside, and that same year she
>>>>> married Weslev. For several years she cooked at Cecil's Lakeside Inn
>>>>> on
>>>>> Maine Avenue.
>>>>>
>>>>> During World War II she worked in the experimental building at
>>>>> Consolidated. When the war was over, she became involved as a reporter
>>>>> and column writer for the Lakeside newspaper. She then moved from this
>>>>> role to the role of historian and on to work for the preservation of
>>>>> historic landmarks.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Cork Elms along Woodside became her focal point, and from 1946 on,
>>>>> she made a supreme effort to save the trees. Sadly it failed. Again in
>>>>> 1965 she gained recognition when she led a citizen's group in
>>>>> preserving
>>>>> the Boathouse. She was honoured as Lakeside's Woman of the Year. The
>>>>> Beadle place on Ashwood was the setting for Flossie's Museum. One of
>>>>> the
>>>>> buildings was formerly the La Mesa Depot, which has now been returned
>>>>> to
>>>>> La Mesa and restored. Wesley died at the home in which he was born.
>>>>> Florence died in 1973."
>>>>>
>>>>> SOURCE - Lakeside Historical Society -
>>>>> http://www.lakesidehistory.org/People/flossie_beadle.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Wesley CRAIN - 1903/4 born Oklahoma, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Mark Wesley CRAIN (ice cream salesman, on own account aged
>>>>> 16,
>>>>> born Oklahoma, parents born Kansas and England) living at 630 A
>>>>> Street,
>>>>> San Diego, San Diego County, California with parents - see above]
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron? William CRAIN - 1906/7 born Idaho, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Ron? William CRAIN (ice cream salesman, on own account aged
>>>>> 13, born Idaho, parents born Kansas and England) living at 630 A
>>>>> Street,
>>>>> San Diego, San Diego County, California with parents - see above]
>>>>>
>>>>> Lillian Rosalie CRAIN - 1913/4 born California, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Lillian Rosalie CRAIN (aged 6, born California, parents
>>>>> born
>>>>> Kansas and England) living at 630 A Street, San Diego, San Diego
>>>>> County,
>>>>> California with parents - see above]
>>>>>
>>>>> Ethel Elvira CRAIN - 1916 born California, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Ethel Elvira CRAIN (aged 3 years 8 months?, born
>>>>> California,
>>>>> parents born Kansas and England) living at 630 A Street, San Diego,
>>>>> San
>>>>> Diego County, California with parents - see above]
>>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence Roland CRAIN - 1918 born California, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> [1920 US - Lawrence Roland CRAIN (aged 1 year 8 months?, born
>>>>> California,
>>>>> parents born Kansas and England) living at 630 A Street, San Diego,
>>>>> San
>>>>> Diego County, California with parents - see above]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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