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From: "Nora Yahl" <>
Subject: Re: [STEWART-L] Mary Kyritsis' website & the Stewart Clan Magazine
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:00:36 -0500
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Gina, Not to dash your family myths, but being descended from Mary, Queen of
Scots is a popular one, and one that is not well founded in many cases.

In my own pedigree, I searched and searched with not a bit of luck and
pretty much ruled it out as so many say that the line died out. But I am a
message board junkie and put my little story on many. Came across one last
year and popped my message there and then about a month ago, someone wrote
me. She is a genealogist from Edinburgh, Scotland who was doing work for a
client. She felt that her client's ancestor Samuel was a brother to my
ancestor Robert and wrote to me and asked if we could share. We exchanged
gedcoms and both of us were happy with the result. Although mine muddied
the waters with her, requiring additional research.

And apparently she was using as her base, the work of her father who for
many years had researched the Stewart line, although it was not his surname.
So she was able to provide me with the data on that elusive Walter b. in
Perthshire in 1629 and his wife Isobel...also a Stewart as well as the
ancestral line to Robert the Bruce. This did not exactly lead to Mary Queen
of Scots first...it put her out on another branch and a cousin of sorts. My
line comes from one of the many illegitimate branches down the line. The
Stewarts were a very brutal and highly immoral group. Robert II fathered at
least 21 children by more than 4 women. Hardly had the time to go out and
slay dragons or people, one would think!

Continue on your search and keep asking everyone, everywhere...maybe one day
the missing puzzle piece will fall into your lap as mine did.
Regards,
Nora in St. Louis, MO


----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Jaquiss" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: [STEWART-L] Mary Kyritsis' website & the Stewart Clan Magazine


> Dear Gina,
>
> Thank you. You might want to try the Stewart Tomes and the Stewart Tomes
> index. I was lucky enough to find most of my Stewart's in the indices now
I
> need to go to the Library or Congress or the DAR Library to do the actual
> research.
>
> In case you haven't heard of the Stewart Clan Magazine a yearly batch or
so
> of which has been made into the books of the Stewart Tomes I shall include
> an e-mail from Mary Kyritsis who meticulously indexed them magazine by
> magazine by magazine by surname by given name by given name. Decades of
> tireless, exacting work so that all of us could benefit. Her website is a
> real treasure!!!
>
> from Mary Kyritsis ~ Hello Deborah,
>
> Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. I'm
> actually on holiday until the end of August, but finally
> got my laptop up and running and finally saw your email.
>
> First, the Stewart Clan Magazine was a series of monthly newsletters that
> came out between 1922 and 1970, when
> the editor died almost literally with his boots on.
> They are preserved in book form in many libraries
> however and also on microfilm in the LDS. Go to my
> website at http://users.hol.gr/~mkyritsi and at the top
> of the page there is a link showing where you can find
> them. Further down are the indexes and you can look up
> your people there. The best way to start is with a wife
> or husband, as unfortunately the Stewarts were very fond
> of naming their children with the same names over and
> over. You're lucky with a Creighton!
>
> Your Mary Stewart puzzles me, and I wonder if you mean
> Londonderry, New Hampshire rather than the one in
> Ireland? There is a large group of Stewarts who descend
> from a Walter Stewart whose son John came to Londonderry
> NH. They are well documented in Tome A (the first 5
> years of the Stewart Clan Magazine). Unfortunately I
> can't help you from here; I have the SCM at home but
> it's there and I'm in Connecticut.
>
> Whether or not this line goes back to the Royal Stewarts
> or at least the line of Stewarts who had one family
> branch off to the royal line, that is something that as
> yet cannot be proven and probably never will be. The
> name Walter of course is that of one of the first High
> Stewards of Scotland, but anyone could name a child that
> without it meaning anything besides a general sense of
> loyalty.
>
> I only say all this because the names Walter, John and
> Mary are common in that line. Your own line sounds
> quite different, and the name Creighton may be a good
> clue. Check and see if he's in the index. However, the
> same thing goes; any "cousins" to any of the royal line,
> especially down as far as Charles II, will be extremely
> difficult to track down. There were a great many, but
> not of course close cousins. The royal line further
> back branched off at least twice with two prolific
> younger sons who had a number of illegitimate lines
> which everyone is very proud of, and the lines scatter
> all over Scotland. Not many are documented as having
> come over, but there are several. The difficulty comes
> from not knowing the sources your book used for his
> information. It sounds like something of a hodge-podge
> from several different historical lines of Stewarts.
> There was a very old Stewart family in County Antrim
> which moved there in the 16th century, for instance,
> which went back to the Isle of Bute.
>
> It's always possible, no matter what it says, that
> Creighton was born in the states. Most of us Americans
> with this surname grew up in happy ignorance, thinking
> we were Scottish from very recent times -- I certainly
> did. My dad was very proud of his name, but never
> considered the idea of actually digging back; that was
> something that my brother and I started.
>
> Not to discourage you! -- but keep your eye on what you
> really know and go back from there. Be sure of Mary's
> birthplace, for one thing.
>
> And do join Rootsweb's mailing list for Stewart. There
> are a lot of people on it and plenty who are ready and
> willing to help. Pennsylvania is a good state to start
> with.
>
> Good luck,
> Mary
>
> Mary Kyritsis
> Kifissia, Greece
>
> Dear Mary,
> Thank you so much for replying. I appreciate your
> reply and all your insightful comments especially since you are on
> vacation. Your website, as you must already know, is incredibly helpful.
> You are a real treasure to have done all these years of work indexing
these
> magazines. I have found individuals with the same names as all of the
> people that are in my references in your indices and will have to be off
to
> the Library of Congress or the DAR library sometime soon to see if
> they are related and if so how. It would be wonderful if they were direct
> line related! Has anyone thought of putting your indices along with the
> tomes on CD?
>
> 1. Walter Stewart "removed from England to Antrim,
> Ireland 1648 he was a cousin of King Charles the Second"
> 2. unknown Stewart - son of Walter Stewart
> 3. Samuel Stewart born abt 1712 Procoles, Antrim Co,
> Ireland died abt 1793 Cairndeasy, Derry Co, Ireland married Matilda Clark
> 4. Sir John Stewart born abt 1743 Procoles, Antrim Co,
> Ireland died abt 1818 Cairndeasy, Derry Co, Ireland married abt 1768
> Katherine Junck
> 5. Creighton John Stewart born 1784 Cairndeasy,
> Londonderry Co, Ireland, died Oct 1845 Franklin Twp, Allegheny Co, PA
> married bef 1814 Nancy Sloan
> 6. Mary Stewart born 15 Sept 1816 Londonderry Co,
> Ireland, died 18 May 1878 married 25 Nov 1841Daniel McDonald born 10 Mar
> 1814 Mercer Co, PA, USA, died 4 Mar 1874 Cincinnati, Appanoose Co, IA, USA
> 7. Nancy Sloan McDonald born 1 Nov 1842, died 12 May
> 1894 married 12 Oct 1865 Henry Jaquiss born 8 Dec 1835 Liverpool,
> Lancashire, England, died 4 Mar 1874 Cincinnati, Appanoose Co, IA, USA.
>
> It was her brother, John Craton McDonald, who gave the information for
the
> article. It is said that he obtained his information from the family
bible.
> I
> have no idea if a family bible existed but I have never seen one.
>
> TIA ~ Deborah in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC, USA
>
> Hello Deborah,
>
> So glad you've had success! I'm sure the generation
> with Katherine Junck is in there, but that's from
> memory. Have fun at the library!
>
> Wish my William Stewart's dad had thought to name him
> something else -- Creighton would have suited me just
> fine!
>
> Good hunting,
> Mary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [STEWART-L] Please post web site/URLs before they disappear
>
>
> > what a nice post -- one that i will print out for future use !! i just
> went
> > and purchased a book on the kings and queens of scotland and england
since
> i
> > know our tree goes to mary queen of scots i believe !! but i can't get
> past
> > my grandfather who was born in the late 1800's and has passed away there
> is a
> > problem as to where he was actually born so i think my next step is to
try
> > with one of his older siblings and go from there !! thanks for the post
!!
> > gina
> >
>
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