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From: "Philip Maddocks" <>
Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Swan Pub Rishangles
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:39:51 +0100
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Thank you for that.

Family history says that Edith Betsy and Robert ran the pub in Monk Soham. I
think that they may have the pubs mixed up. The White Elm is now a pair of
houses; I took a photo of it when I visited. I cannot find Robert in 1901 -
he may have been in jail... If he was then he was back out soon after;
there is a bit of an age gap in the children but not much.

The Kemp families in Monk Soham are chaotic.
I cannot fit Edward at the White Elm into my family no matter how far I go
back; he was with his third wife at that time. I have contacts with his
family and can only tie the two families by their both marrying into the
Jay(e) family. They preferred to marry their own! Edith Betsy and Robert
were second cousins. William, her grandfather, married Lucy Ringe and when
Lucy died he married one of the Elliotts (probably a cousin - his mother was
an Elliott!).

They had no imagination with names either. Edith had an uncle called
William and Robert's father was called William - both born in 1853. They
called themselves by their middle names; the child transcribed as "Eddie"
was actually Edith Essie Kemp always 'Essie' to us when we were children;
her mother was called Betsy; my grandmother Lizzie from Annie Eliza.

Neighbour Jesse Kemp was Edith's father but she had lived with her
grandfather since before the 1891 Census (when she was 9) at the pub in
Rishangles. Perhaps this is what was meant by her running the pub - may
never know.

Thanks again

Philip

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Diaper" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Swan Pub Rishangles


> Philip
>
> In 1901 the innkeeper was William Spicer. (From census - only 7 pages -
> Rishangles is a small village.)
>
> In 1901 she appears to be back in her birthplace, Monk Soham, with her
> widowed grandfather William. (Ages given seem a bit chaotic). On either
> side
> are other Kemp families, probably related, including Edward Kemp, publican
> of the White Elm.
>
> I don't think there are any pubs in Rishangles or Monk Soham now.
>
> Dudley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip Maddocks" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:14 PM
> Subject: [SFK-UK] Swan Pub Rishangles
>
>
>> Does anyone know if this pub has survived? I am trying to find out who
>> was there on the 1901 Census, has anyone the ability to search by
>> address?
>> My great grandmother was Edith Kemp there at 1891 but not there in 1901.
>> I cannot find her husband Robert in 1901 and am clutching at straws.
>>
>> Thank you for any help you can give.
>>
>> Philip Maddocks
>
>
>
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