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From: "gdy2shosflthybst" <>
Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Not standing for pledge of allegience on Denny Radio
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:40:13 -0400
References: <C44DAD53.C9A%dhayes1@dmreg.com>


That last line is interesting about the cell phone. It would be confiscated
at my daughter's school as they have a no cell phone policy. Is that
unconstitutional too?

Honestly, this is why schools ar ein the mess they are in. Every tiome a kid
gets in trouble, the punishment is somehow deemed unconstitutional.

As someone who works with lawyers all day I believe that the schoold can
have the al stand during the pledge policy. Frankly, if you don;t want to
recite it, I think you have that right. Your peers also have the right to
take note of your attitude and act accordingly.

When these kids get into the working world and they are handed the employee
handbook they just igniore the rules. This is why a lot of the college grads
my company hires don't make it past the 6 month probabtion period.

Dept Commander Eric Peterson
Dept of Georgia and South Carolina

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hayes, Dann" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Not standing for pledge of allegience on Denny Radio


> Story was in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune
> At http://www.startribune.com/nation/18800444.html
>
> Dann Hayes
> Commander
> Sgt. N.F. Bates Camp No. 64
> Iowa
>
>
> Story follows
> ---
>
> 3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance
>
> By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune
> May 10, 2008
>
> Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their
> principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance,
> violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be
> reworded to protect free speech rights.
>
> "My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of
> one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior
> High School in northwestern Minnesota.
>
> Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school
> suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It
> should be the people's choice."
>
> Kim Dahl said the "punishment didn't fit the crime. If they wanted to know
> why he didn't stand, they should've made him write a paper." She said her
> son has been declining to stand all school year, offered no reason for
> sitting and was not obligated to explain his actions.
>
> The school's handbook says all students are required to stand but are not
> required to recite the pledge. The same is true for all four schools in
> the district, a school official said.
>
> "These three [students] didn't, and they got caught," said Mel Olson, the
> district's community education director. He said he backs the punishment,
> "being a veteran and a United States of America citizen, absolutely."
> Olson served in the Marines in Japan during the Vietnam War.
>
> The head of the Minnesota American Civil Liberties Union said that the
> school's actions against the students are unconstitutional, and his office
> informed the district of that today in a strongly worded letter.
>
> "The school can't do that; that's illegal," said Chuck Samuelson, the
> civil liberties group's executive director. "Wow."
>
> Samuelson said that numerous U.S. Supreme Court rulings dating to the
> 1940s say in "well-settled constitutional law" that "students who refuse
> to participate in the pledge cannot be punished for refusing to
> participate."
>
> Samuelson said he's surprised that any public school district would have
> such a pledge requirement, given that state law allows for students and
> teachers to decide not to participate. Most states have the same "opt-out"
> provision.
>
> In St. Paul, said district spokesman Howie Padilla, "Students can
> respectfully not participate in the Pledge of Allegiance." Minneapolis
> schools treat pledge participation the same way.
>
> Colleen Houglum, the principal who suspended the three, acknowledged in a
> statement late this morning that the policy requirement that " 'all
> students will stand' may need to be modified to address the protection of
> the individual's form of expression."
>
> Kim Dahl said Houglum called her this morning and informed her of the
> possible accommodation. "I think they are handling it quite
> professionally," Kim Dahl said, adding that Houglum told her that school
> officials "are taking some steps to take the [suspensions] off their
> records."
>
> That possible shift was met with disappointment from Olson. While he said
> he'll fall in line with whatever change may occur, "I still have my
> beliefs."
>
> Earlier today, Olson said that a "very nice announcement" was made at the
> start of the junior high school day reminding the students that they must
> stand for the pledge.
>
> Houglum said that all students this morning were "involved in some
> fashion" during the pledge, adding that no additional suspensions were
> needed.
>
> However, the family of 14-year-old Bishop Edens told the Forum that he was
> suspended from school today (Friday) because he wouldn't stand for the
> pledge, but he was quickly invited back once Houglum said a policy change
> might be needed. Edens had said Thursday that he would sit in support of
> the other three.
>
> "Our social studies teacher led the pledge, and that was kind of a nice
> change of pace," Houglum said.
> Kim Dahl asked Brandt why he has been remained seated all school year, but
> "he didn't have an answer ... he doesn't get in trouble; he's just a
> normal 13-year-old."
>
> As for today, she told Brandt to take his cell phone with him to school
> and text her should he run into trouble again. "I said you should probably
> just stand if you're not protesting something."
>
>
> On 5/12/08 8:05 AM, "Ernest Everett Blevins" <>
> wrote:
>
> I don't know the story on this yet, but this is in my e-news for a
> internet/radio show I listen to on DennyRadio.com. Apparently three
> students were suspended for not standing during the pledge of allegience.
> Being a patriotic issue I'l toss it out there. I'll listen since I'm
> working
> at home and chime in if appropriate. There is registration for listening
> to
> the show but its only an email/pw thing and does not cost anything (I
> think
> just to keep track of numbers of on line listeners).
>
> I do not know the political views of everyone on the list, but Denny is
> conservative, this advert for the program is aimed for this feature today
> is
> not to be taking a political postion on this list as I'm sure we have
> libreals and consevatives on the list.
>
> Denny has invited me to be on a show near Memorial to talk about Memorial
> Day. Him being from Michigan and previously aired in Ohio I'm working on
> him as a member as well.
>
> Ernie Blevins
> List Administrator
>
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