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From: Ernest Everett Blevins <>
Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Arlington Confederate Monument
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:48:09 -0400
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I remember the stories on the fight at University of Texas or Texas A & M
not too far back.

If I haven't already remind me to send you a picture of Lea's grave with the
flowers in bloom. The whole cemetery blew up with Black Eyed Susans before
I left Galveston.

Ernie

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jim Hackett <> wrote:

>
> Ernie,I am on the side of keeping the tradition going.There was a move a
> few years back to
>
> remove all Confederate statues and monuments from state schools.This was
> not done due
>
> to a public outcry supported by SCV and SUV. In F,C & L,Jim Hackett , Edw.
> Lea camp #2,SUVCW
>
> > From:
> > To: @rootsweb.com;
> > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:11:25 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Arlington Confederate Monument
> >
> > Hi Ernie,
> >
> > I am also a member of both the SUV and the SCV. What list are you on with
> the SCV? The one advertised on their web site?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dann Hayes
> > Sgt. N.F. Bates No. 64
> > Poweshiek County, Iowa
> >
> >
> > On 5/20/09 9:55 AM, "Ernest Everett Blevins" <>
> wrote:
> >
> > I stated that I first saw this letter come out over some Sons of
> > Confederate Veterans lists (we have several new members of late so for
> those
> > that don't know I'm a member of both SCV and SUVCW). All that means is
> > someone saw it and sent it out to me from there. The letter is not
> > originating from these lists or this membership body. I am guessing the
> > orignal poster is correct on his identification of the writers.
> >
> > I think continuing tradition is the right way to go as one line (and not
> > looking I'm paraphrasing) not to continue while you (Obama) is in office
> but
> > for future presidents. This latter sounds a little too much like revision
> > history. Then what do we learn from the past.
> >
> > Ernie Blevins
> > List admin.
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Doug McMillin <
> >wrote:
> >
> > > You say this appeared on a confederate heritage web ring? Sounds like
> an
> > > attempt to try and force outrage and draw public attention. Honestly,
> > > asking the first black president to order the stopping of a tradition
> > > honoring confederate fallen? Is there any way that would not spark a
> fire
> > > storm of controversy? I would stay as far away from this mess as
> possible.
> > > There is no good way out of this one.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > Gettysburg Camp 112
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dawn and Joe Nyberg <
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree as well. The Civil War should have taught us a lesson and the
> > > act
> > > > of placing a wreath on the Monument is simply a tribute to those who
> gave
> > > > their lives for what they believed in. Insofar as the slavery issue
> is
> > > > concerned it can be argued that both sides are guilty. Keep the
> > > tradition
> > > > alive.
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Leonard J. Nyberg, Jr.
> > > > Lisbon, New Hampshire
> > > > NH Camp #5
> > > > RI Camp #7
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Hayes, Dann" <>
> > > > To: "," <@rootsweb.com>; <
>
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:02 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Arlington Confederate Monument
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I agree. Keep the tradition alive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, there are some folks who are trying to put 21st century
> ideals
> > > > into
> > > > > the discussion of what happened in the 1860s - can't do it and
> bring
> > > > > justice to the era.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we are going to start discussing race relations, etc., then we
> have
> > > to
> > > > > keep it to historical facts and not assume that everyone in the
> south
> > > > > (Confederacy) was racist. There were plenty (probably more) on the
> > > Union
> > > > > side. We can find quotes, statements, etc., that would open this
> > > further
> > > > > than it has to go.
> > > > >
> > > > > Honestly, didn't we learn anything after the Civil War?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been to that monument (used to live in Northern
> > > > > Virginia -Annandale) and it is a very nice looking monument. Very
> well
> > > > > done. IMHO it is one of the better ones at the cemetery.
> > > > >
> > > > > It and the soldiers in the cemetery deserve a wreath.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dann Hayes
> > > > > Sgt. N. F. Bates No. 64
> > > > > Poweshiek County, Iowa
> > > > > (past commander)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/20/09 8:02 AM, "Ernest Everett Blevins" <
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This just appeared on Confederate related lists yesterday. I'm open
> > > for
> > > > > discussion on it as long as we keep to facts and not delve into
> modern
> > > > > politics or name calling as there are likely those that like Obama
> and
> > > I
> > > > > know there are those that dislike him on this list. As one that has
> > > and
> > > > > honors ancestors on both sides I think the tradition should
> continue.
> > > I
> > > > > think the letter could respark a Lost Cause debate which clearly
> they
> > > are
> > > > > reaching back to Lost Cause speak as their rationale to fight it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ernie Blevins
> > > > > List Admin.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:50 AM, <> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This letter was written by Edward Sebesta and James Loewen and
> signed
> > > > by
> > > > >> the scholars listed below. (See the full letter and signatures at
> > > > >> _http://hnn.us/articles/85884.html_ (
> > > http://hnn.us/articles/85884.html)
> > > > >> )
> > > > >> President Barack H. Obama May 18, 2009
> > > > >> The White House
> > > > >> 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
> > > > >> Washington, DC 20500 Dear President Obama:
> > > > >> Since the administration of Woodrow Wilson, presidents have sent
> > > > annually
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> wreath to the Arlington Confederate Monument. Prior to the
> > > > >> administration
> > > > >> of George H. W. Bush, this was done on or near the birthday of
> > > > Jefferson
> > > > >> Davis. Starting with George H.W. Bush, it has been done on
> Memorial
> > > > Day.
> > > > >> We ask you to not send a wreath or some other commemorative token
> to
> > > the
> > > > >> Arlington Confederate Monument during your administration or
> after.
> > > > >> There are several reasons as to why this monument, a product of
> the
> > > > Nadir
> > > > >> in American race relations, should not be honored, and we list and
> > > > >> explain
> > > > >> them in this letter.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The monument was intended to legitimize secession and the
> principles
> > > of
> > > > >> the Confederacy and glorify the Confederacy. It isn't just a
> > > > remembrance
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> the dead. The speeches at its ground-breaking and dedication
> defended
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> held up as glorious the Confederacy and the ideas behind it and
> > > stated
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> the monument was to these ideals as well as the dead. It was also
> > > > >> intended
> > > > >> as a symbol of white nationalism, portrayed in opposition to the
> > > > >> multiracial
> > > > >> democracy of Reconstruction, and a celebration of the
> > > re-establishment
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> white supremacy in the former slave states by former Confederate
> > > > >> soldiers.
> > > > >> In its design it also tells wrong history, boasting fourteen
> shields
> > > > >> with
> > > > >> the coat of arms of fourteen states. Thus it claims that Missouri,
> > > > >> Kentucky, and Maryland were part of the Confederacy. They weren't.
> > > > >> Cont.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John A. O'Neal, PCC, Bradbury Camp #149, Dept of PA
> > > > >> Other than slavery, nazism, fascism and George III, war has never
> > > solved
> > > > >> any problems.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > > > 110 Evergreen Way * Villa Rica, Georgia 30180
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> > > Douglas P. McMillin, SVC
> > > Gettysburg Camp #112 SUVCW
> > > PA Dept Sec./Treas. SUVCW
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> > > blessing of National in July 2007. It was established in January 2007
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> > 110 Evergreen Way * Villa Rica, Georgia 30180
> > * 770-456-1876
> >
> > Historic Preservation Consultant -- Historical and Architectural Research
> --
> > Genealogical (Family) Research -- Preservation Planning and Documentation
> --
> > House History
> >
> > Member: American Planning Association, New England Historic Genealogical
> > Society, Sons of the American Revolution, Sons of Confederate Veterans,
> Sons
> > of Union Veterans, and member of numerous other lineage and heritage
> > societies.
> > The Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War (SUVCW) list received the
> blessing of National in July 2007. It was established in January 2007 to
> assist in disseminating information and seeking assistance to members,
> associates, and potential members who have an interest in the SUVCW, GAR,
> the people and events of the period of the War Between the States.
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Ernest Everett Blevins, MFA • Blevins Historical Research
110 Evergreen Way • Villa Rica, Georgia 30180
• 770-456-1876

Historic Preservation Consultant -- Historical and Architectural Research --
Genealogical (Family) Research -- Preservation Planning and Documentation --
House History

Member: American Planning Association, New England Historic Genealogical
Society, Sons of the American Revolution, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Sons
of Union Veterans, and member of numerous other lineage and heritage
societies.


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