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From: Doug McMillin <>
Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Any National Encampment Reports?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:09:17 -0400
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Brothers,

I regret I was unable to attend the encampment this year. But as a point of
information only, here is the General Order that stated the SUVCW's official
position with regards to the confederate flag. Given the discussion I
thought this might be helpful to those that have not read it or do not
recall.

In F,C, & L,

Doug McMillin
Gettysburg Camp #112

Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War
General Orders No. 14
Series 1999-2000
Danny L. Wheeler, Commander-in-Chief
501 Willow Ave
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-272-7314
(e-mail)

1. General Order Order #4 Series 1999-2000 was recinded by General Order #13
Series 1999-2000. The following resolution represents the position by the
National Organization of the Sons of the Union Veterans of the Civil War as
adopted on August 19, 2000 at the 119th National Encampment held in Lansing,
Michigan.

RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT
DISPLAY OF BATTLE FLAGS OF THE CONFEDERACY
119TH NATIONAL ENCAMPMENT OF THE
SONS OF UNION VETERANS OF THE CIVIL WAR
LANSING, MICHIGAN AUGUST 19, 2000

A resolution in support of the display of the Confederate Battle Flag.

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War,
condemn the use of the confederate battle flag, as well as the flag of the
United States, by any and all hate groups, and

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War
support the flying of the confederate battle flag as a historical piece of
this nation's history, and

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War
oppose the removal of any Confederate monuments or markers to those gallant
soldiers in the former Confederate States, and strongly oppose the removal
of ANY reminders of this nation's bloodiest war on the grounds of it being
"politically correct," and

WHEREAS, we, as the descendants of Union soldiers and sailors who, as
members of the Grand Army of the Republic, met in joint reunions with the
confederate veterans under both flags in those bonds of Fraternal
Friendship, pledge our support and admiration for those gallant soldiers and
of their respective flags;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that we the members of the Sons of Union
Veterans of the Civil War in 119th Annual National Encampment hereby adopt
this resolution. Dated in Lansing, Michigan, on this nineteenth day of
August, in the year of our Lord Two thousand.

By Order of:
Danny L. Wheeler
Commander-in-Chief

Attest:
Todd A. Shillington
National Secretary

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:39 AM, gdy2shosflthybst <
> wrote:

> I had a great time. The facilities were great. The comradery was warm. We
> had spirited but fraternal debates.
>
> Now that brother Mike Beard brings it up, I wasn;t going to say anything
> about it, I was rather disappointed with the band. Their facts were
> inaccurate and they had a definite slant. The intro to "300,000" more was
> just plain wrong! I had a gut feeling it was since my own native state of
> Wisconsin raised about 20,000 for that call ( according to the book, "The
> History of Wisconsin in the War of the Rebellion", and if I interpolate
> that
> to the other Union states I guessed that it would exceed 300,000. I left
> right after they got through the second verse of that song.
>
> I checked when I got home and the call for 300,000 volunteers produced
> 421,000 which is a far cry from the 91,000 stated by the narrator.
>
> Also, I am not sure what the National organization did about the rebel flag
> over the SC state house but I was at the Dept Encampment when my former
> department (Wisconsin) refused to support the SCV petition on the grounds
> that it went against our mission to honor the boys in blue who saw that
> baner as an emblem of treason.
>
> I left the performance early becasue I felt that as a re-enactor I have to
> put up with the pro-confederate misinformation at re-enactments, but I
> shouldn't have to hear it at my SUVCW National encampment.
>
> All-in-all it was a great encampment and that was the only real down side
> to
> me.
>
> I wish I had thought of this at the National encampment but on the drive
> home it occurred to me that perhaps we could have several brothers to
> assist
> the Treasurer by breaking down responsibility for managing the many
> accounts
> that we have at the National level. These brothers would be assistant
> treasurers reporting tothe National Treasurer. As this organization grows I
> can only assume the job will become more burdensome.
>
> in FC&L.
>
> Eric Peterson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Beard" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Any National Encampment Reports?
>
>
> > Brothers:
> >
> > I agree with PCINC Pahl -- In addition, I would add Brother Sayer's
> > patriotic instructions were spot-on. Our singing of "Amazing Grace" and
> > "The Vacant Chair" was also a nice touch. The hotel was one of the
> better
> > one's I have been at for an encampment -- and sharing it with the
> > fright-fest folks was darn right entertaining.
> >
> > I was not impressed with the continued presence of an officer from the
> SCV
> > at our encampment. I did not care for his implication that we supported
> > the SCV in defending the rebel flag over the South Carolina capital. I
> > assume that was not true -- but he was correct that we did come to the
> > defense of the flag, which is unfortunate. I was also irked when he said
> > the Union Army "occupied" Louisville during the war -- an odd word for a
> > city in a state that did not secede.
> >
> > I was appalled with the display of the Stars & Bars at the banquet and
> the
> > opening rendition of "Dixie" followed by the "Bonnie Blue Flag." The
> band
> > MC told us twice that the county we were in produced more rebels than
> > loyalists when she introduced what she considered pro-union tunes. When
> > she introduced "We are Coming Father Abraham" with the statement that the
> > call for "300,000 more" failed and led to the bloody draft riots up
> north,
> > I left.
> >
> > In the future, I will check with the host group to confirm the banquet
> > will have a pro-union speaker and entertainment before I buy a ticket.
> >
> > I would also note the Treasurer's report reflected a $27,000 payment to
> > the IRS for unpaid payroll taxes, and Brother Kuhn mentioned the Council
> > of Administration was planning on spending $20,000 to hire a bookkeeper.
> > These two items were not really discussed. However, Brother Kuhn did
> > plead with us all to seek out a Brother willing to take on the
> Treasurer's
> > position. Pass that along.
> >
> > In F, C, & L
> >
> > Mike Beard, PDC
> > Department of Maryland
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:] On
> > Behalf Of Jim Pahl
> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:28 AM
> > To: suvcw;
> > Subject: Re: [SUVCW] Any National Encampment Reports?
> >
> > Brothers:
> >
> > Allow this as a very brief report of the 128th National Encampment in
> > Louisville, Kentucky, just completed. Leo Kennedy of Rhode Island was
> > elected Commander-in-Chief in an Encampment that ran very smoothly.
> James
> > Hanby was moved up to Senior Vice Commander-in-Chief and Brad Schall of
> > the Department of California/Pacific is our new Junior Vice
> > Commander-in-Chief. Max Newman resigned as National Treasurer, with Rich
> > Orr of Pennsylvania being elected to fill out the final year of his term.
> > This is intended to be a temp. measure and Rich is not really interested
> > in continuing - but in helping the Order as we locate a brother willing
> to
> > assume this important office.
> >
> > With Brad's promotion to JVCinC, there were three available seats on the
> > CofA, with five very well qualified candidates. Eric Schmincke of
> > Pennsylvania was running for reelection, along with Don Shaw of Michigan,
> > Ken Freshley of Ohio, Tad Campbell of California/Pacific and Bill Vieira
> > of Rhode Island. Elected was first Tad Campbell, then in the second
> > round, Ken Freshley. The third round was for a one year term to replace
> > Brad and Bill Vieira was elected. They join existing Council Members
> > Perley Mellor and Bob Petrovic. Don Palmer is in the middle of his term
> > as National Secretary, as is Danny Wheeler as Quartermaster.
> >
> > The brother's approved minitures of the current Camp Commander badge,
> > Department Commander badge, Past Camp Commander badge, Past Department
> > Commander badge and Past Commander-in-Chief badge, which eliminates the
> > wearing of stars on a miniture member badge to indicate current or past
> > offices held. The Past Camp Commander miniture and the Past Department
> > Commander miniture are immediately available for $9.50 each (I believe),
> > plus postage from the Quartermaster. The remaining badges will be
> > available shortly.
> >
> > Several policies were adopted in the the National Regulations. The
> Digest
> > was throughly reviewed and any applicable decisions will now appear as
> > footnotes (in the manner of the old Blue Book maintained by the Grand
> Army
> > of the Republic) in the Constitution and Regulations as they appear on
> the
> > web site, eliminating the Digest as being authorative. It will remain
> for
> > historical reference.
> >
> > All discussions were held in the spirit of fraternity, charity and
> > loyalty, making this a very enjoyable Encampment. Saturday evening's
> > banquet was visited by a Past Commander-in-Chief of the Sons of
> > Confederate Veterans. The evening's entertainment was a civil war style
> > brass band, whose first selection was Dixie. The Auxiliary and the
> Ladies
> > of the Grand Army, also meeting with us, were represented at the head
> > table by their National Presidents. Also visiting us were the National
> > President of the Women's Relief Corp, the National Junior Vice President
> > of the Daughters of Union Veterans and the National President of the
> > Daughter's of the Union - while not one of the Allied Orders, they were
> > welcomed. MOLLUS was also represented by our own Past Commadner-in-Chief
> > Rick Bury.
> >
> > The Department of Kentucky did a wonderful job in hosting this year's
> > Encampment, with next year being in the Department of Kansas, followed by
> > the Department of Maryland hosting the 2011 National Encampment in
> > northern Virginia.
> >
> > The Council of Administration meeting on Sunday morning, starting at
> > 8:00am and usually lasting until past noon, was completed by 9:35am.
> >
> > My wife is now awaiting me patiently, as we leave the Encampment hotel
> and
> > travel to Illinois for a funeral.
> >
> > Respectfully submitted in fraternity, charity and loyalty
> > James B. Pahl
> > Past Commander-in-Chief
> > Assistant National Treasurer
> > Assistant National Counselor - Blue Book
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Ernest Everett Blevins <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Ernest Everett Blevins <>
> > Subject: [SUVCW] Any National Encampment Reports?
> > To: "suvcw" <>
> > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 12:52 AM
> >
> > So what all happened at the National Encampment?
> >
> > Ernie Blevins
> > List Adminstrator
> >
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> > associates, and potential members who have an interest in the SUVCW, GAR,
> > the people and events of the period of the War Between the States.
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> The Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War (SUVCW) list received the
> blessing of National in July 2007. It was established in January 2007 to
> assist in disseminating information and seeking assistance to members,
> associates, and potential members who have an interest in the SUVCW, GAR,
> the people and events of the period of the War Between the States.
>
> The opinions expressed and information provided in messages are those of
> individuals and are not necessarily the official opinions, views or beliefs
> of any Camp, Department or National SUVCW.
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--
Douglas P. McMillin, SVC
Gettysburg Camp #112 SUVCW
PA Dept Sec./Treas. SUVCW


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