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From: "Raymond W. Ryan Jr." <>
Subject: Fw: River Dance and Rooms in Heaven
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:49:55 -0500

> From: Raymond W. Ryan Jr. <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: River Dance and Rooms in Heaven
> Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 3:40 PM
> The reel, one of the most esteemed by players, originated in Scotland.
> Jigs of Irish origin were many according to the collections published
> throughout the eighteenth century but it was not until the end of that
> century that reels of Irish origination were included in the Irish
> collections. The jig, which is the oldest surviving dance, has three
> which are the single, double, and slip or hop. The music for the first
> are in 6/8 time and, for the third, 9/8 time. Examples are Paddy Whack
> Larry Grogan which are double jigs which were printed over two centuries
> ago. The slip jig, now a solo dance, was formerly a round dance.
> it is not exclusively Irish, it became so closely assoiciated with
> that the steps performed in the ballroom became known as "Irish" steps.
> Examples are The Rocky Road to Dublin and Drops of Brandy. Now,
> the music fell into four distinct divisions which were jigs, reels,
> hornpipes, and music for sets. If you are interested in songs alone,
> are available in Colm O Lochlainn's collection of irish street ballads.
> Now they may be purely English and Scots folk songs but one must remember
> that they were introduced by the different settlers as well as the normal
> traffic between the two islands.
> Group dances still performed are the Four-handed reel, The High Caul Cap
> and The Humours of Bandon which, fortunately, owe their survival to the
> dancing masters. Whether they derive originally from the older rinnce
> or were copied on the quadrille is a difficult question to answer.
> Remember, Irishmen returning from the Napoleonic wars, introduced the
> quadrille to Ireland. Many different forms developed which included sets
> and half-sets which have been popular for at least a century and a half
> include Balllysteen, Cashel, Caledonian, to name a few.
> To claim these dances as being derived from the Scots/Irish is akin to
> saying that fire was discovered in the 16th century. I believe you can
> attribute the dancing to both the Irish and the Scotch but not,
> exclusively, to the Scots/Irish.
> ----------
> > From:
> > To: ; Bette Kosmolak <>;
> > Subject: River Dance and Rooms in Heaven
> > Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 11:53 PM
> >
> > Bette wrote:
> > >
> > >I'm sure 'Riverdance' is least everyone performing in
> > >Riverdance would say so, I'm sure!
> > >Bette
> >
> > I would bet they are too! I feel certain that particular style of
> has
> > been around since before the S-I's arrived in America! Maybe the Scots
> > learned it from the Irish, or visa versa. Would be interesting to
> the
> > origins of the dance!
> >
> > Linda Merle wrote:
> > >
> > > Very interesting about the clogging. My family didn't -- too
> > > religious! I never did learn to dance or enjoy most of the things
> > > that the rest of the human race does.
> > >
> >
> > I grew up Baptist (no offense intended here) as it was the church down
> the
> > street. We could walk to the many events offered when Dad wasn't
> to
> > drive us. All this talk of dancing reminded me of an old joke. I
> > remember all the parts but it goes something like this. A new soul
> arrived in
> > heaven and St. Peter was showing him/her around. As they would pass
> rooms,
> > the soul would ask about the room's occupants and what they were doing.

> St.
> > Peter would explain and they would move on. They came upon a room full
> of
> > souls who were dancing up a storm. The new soul queried St. Peter as
> who
> > they were. St. Peter replied, "Oh, they're Baptists and they didn't
> dance
> > while on earth."
> >
> > I did try dancing. Just never have been any good at it. Never got the
> hang
> > of clogging either, even though Mom tried her hardest to teach us kids.
> >
> > Sharon
> >
> > ______________________________

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