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From: "Steven Oge" <>
Subject: Re: Aceticism?
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:54:12 -0500


Now that one I liked!! gonna get some miles outta it
Steve

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> From: Aaron Orr <>
> To: ; ;
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Aceticism?
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 6:10 PM
>
> Well Dear Friends:
>
> I had a mixed Childhood with RC and Presbyterian influence flying at each
> other in low strafing raids. I found massive inconsistenciesand ook
refuge
> in my own head and an evangelical position.
>
> PNaish has well summed up theflaw in the churhc of the Semper Eadem
> (unchangig. That is perosnal preferences by thte priest.
>
> Ah! A tale but brief!
>
> Father O'Hara inNewfoundland went to see Mrs O'Hare a senior lady about
the
> secon week of January to collect the annual members donation to the
Church.
>
> "I've some to see if ye're goin' ta make a contribution to St Aidan's,
Mrs.
> O'Hare," said the priest.
>
> "How much iz it ye're afther?" the lady asked, gimletting him with her
wan
> good eye.
>
> "Well, fer da senior citizens we thaught that $5.00 would be enoough,"the
> priest replied.
>
> "That's all I have ta me name at the minit Father," the old woman saiad.
> "I'm usin' that ta get me hair done the day."
>
> "Ye mean ye'd rather get yer hair done than help the Church av Christ,
Mrs.
> O' Hare. You know Our Lady nivver got her hair done."
>
> "Mebbenot," said the old woman, "But neither did Our Lord drive a last
> year's Ford car, like you!"
>
> I don't think he got his donation that day.aaron
>
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> ----------
> > From:
> > To: ;
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: Aceticism?
> > Date: February 5, 1998 4:46 PM
> >
> > I was raised in the Catholic faith in Milwaukie, Oregon USA from birth
> until
> > adult hood. While the Catholic church has some very defined religious
> beliefs
> > which over the years have been discussed and rediscussed by many, this
> church
> > like many, if not all, others have extreme conservatives and extreme
> liberals
> > and and whole lot of middle people including those in the religious
life
> such
> > as sisters, priests, monks, and the like.
> >
> > As a very young child we would have the local priest over to dinner on
an
> > occasional event such as Thansgiving or Easter. My father drank and my
> mother
> > did not but they did so by their own choice. The priest at the time
> would
> > drink along with my father. He was at least somewhat liberal. Later we
> got an
> > Irish asst. priest who would come and was not even tolerant of my
> father's
> > drinking much less participate. Later we got a priest who would come
and
> not
> > drink but who always invited my father to enjoy his own.
> >
> > When my older brother got married we had a wine punch at the wedding in
> the
> > church hall. Only three years later we were not allowed to have it at
> mine.
> > The priests had changed in the mean time and the attitude had changed
but
> the
> > church was still the same.
> >
> > In doing research on my ancestors in KY, USA, who were Baptist, I found
> that
> > the local church split into two based on a difference of opinion on an
> item
> > such as missionaries. Both sides professed that there were scriptures
on
> > their side to justify their position and both went their separate ways.

> >
> > I travle alot for my business. There is one county in one state I have
> been in
> > who shall remain unnamed to protect us all from anyone there becoming
> upset at
> > my indicating their county which is not the point of the story anyway.
> This
> > county set up laws years ago based upon the founders religious beliefs
> > relating to drinking to keep the area free from alcohol. However, all
the
> > drinking laws have done is set people to devising ways around them such
> there
> > are now "private" clubs which you cab get into as long as you pay the
fee
> or
> > the residents drive to another county, state to get it.
> >
> > My point to this whole story is that while the basic principles of a
> church
> > may be middle of the road or not even directly address an item such as
> dancing
> > or drinking, somewhere along the line the individual ministers or sects
> or
> > sections of a country or area have moved in either a liberal or
> conservative
> > movement which has resulted in the profession of the church's belief in
> one
> > thing or another as being derived from the bible or some other
religious
> > source.
> >
> > Like Edward I believe it is too bad that we are kept from those things
> which
> > might be enjoyable on the pretext that there is a religious source. I
am
> not
> > advocating those things which will truely harm someone nor am I
> advocating
> > those things which are spiritually harmful. I just think we too often
> have
> > been influenced by people who although perhaps meaning well may have
been
> > reacting to their own weaknesses or misunderstandings.
> >

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