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From: "J. L. Jones" <>
Subject: Scotch-Irish
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 23:54:27 UT

This discussion has been on list, but I find the latter part of the text
written in this book confusing. Please check the underlined section. Has
there been agreement of this from other sources? In other words, it sounds as
though the Scotch who moved to Ireland were not Celtic Scotch, ergo not
Scotch-Irish or Ulstermen because they were really English.

"History of York County Pennsylvania", George R. Prowell, 1907


The Scotch-Irish were Scotch and English people who had gone to Ireland to
take up the estates of Irish rebels confiscated under Queen Elizabeth and
James I. This same James, who was King of Scotland as James VI, encouraged
his Presbyterian subject to emigrate to Ireland and occupy the confiscated

......migration began early seventeenth century about seventy-five years
before the founding of Pennsylvania.

......confiscation of Irish lands by Cromwell increased the emigration....many
English joined the movement.

These people, English and Scotch, who occupied Ireland in this way have
usually been known in England as Ulstermen, and in America as Scotch-Irish,
and are, of course, totally different in character as well as in religion from
the native Irish. Even those who came to Ireland from Scotland were not
Celtic Scotch, but people of English stock who had been living for many
generations in Scotland, so that neither the name Ulstermen nor the name
Scotch-Irish is at all descriptive of them.

They became famous in history for their heroic defense of Londonderry against
James II.
After Charles I took the throne In 1625, he persecuted people and attempted to
force the Scotch in Scotland and Ireland to conform to the Church of England.

The author continues with the discussion of their thriftiness, long leases of
land and ability to blossom the gardens. They were sturdy from their race and
religion and not without the additional discipline of suffering and martyrdom.

Is this what makes them something other than Ulstermen or Scotch-Irish? How
long does it take to become a native? How many years or generations?

George R, Prowell was curator and librarian of Historical Society of York
County, Member of the National Geographic Society, Member of the American
Historical Association.

Regards in peace,

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