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Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Trail of Tears
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:54:34 -0500


Hello, Betty, you should ER the Book CHEROKEE SUNSET- a NATIOIN
BETRAYED- A Narrative of Travail, and triumph, persecution, and exile,
Illustrated- by Samuel Carter III Doublerday, Library #970.3- Carter.

This book has the activities of pages 3,4,92,95,135

During the War of 1812, Andrew Jackson was pinned down on the Tallapoosa
in brush by Creek Indians. They, like the Seminoles, sometimes sided with
the Creek and attempted to collect British pay for American Scalps. Gen.
John Coffee was across the river on a bend with 1000 Troops, almost all
Cherokee or mixed breeds. Sam Houston was across the river with Jackson
and John Ross, the "Principal Chief" in New Echota- Cherokee Capitol.
John Ross got tired of being fired on without action from Jackson and
swam the river to join Coffee's troops.

The Cherokees also grew impatient and several jumped in the river and
swam across and stole the Creek Indian canoes and floated back across the
river, with a large firing squad firing with deadly accuracy at the
Creeks, keeping them away from the canoes and shore. Then Jackson started
a brush fire to rout the Creeks, who began jumping in the river. The
Cherokee and Gen. Coffee were killing a Creek with each shot- in the
River or trying to get to it.

The Ridge, son John Ridge, and others Stand Waite or his dad and brother
Elias Boudiant , and several other half or 1/4 breeds who went home and
made the mistake of getting College degrees, starting prosperous Georgia
Plantations with slaves, who sometimes married into the family, Andrew
Jackson could not stand to see the Indians prosper with their own
constitution and Cherokee newspapers. These were the same Indians who Sam
Houston lived with in Arkansas, where they assigned a 24 hour detail to
watch Sam Houston to sober him up, before he left for Texas These earlier
Cherokees left before the forced Trail of Tears and were settled and had
good land in Cherokee Nation West from Mississippi River to Fort Smith to
west I.T. , headquarted in Tahlequah. One of Great Grandad's nephews, son
of William Clark Wyly of Habersham \County, Ga. then Tyler, Texas,
descendant of a Foreman. These Foremans, and others, including Blackburns
of War Eagle River Grist Mill, Ark. came about the same time. Foremans
came voluntarily on a log boat about 100 feet long with two stories of
Rooms. The Govt. sent a Tug boat to take them down river to Arkansas.
There 4 to 6 boats tied to the tug- each 100 feet long & two story.

During this time, Principal Chief John Ross of New Echota met several
times with his friend of 1812, Pres. Andrew Jackson. Eastern Cherokee
stories say "Old Chola was at his Cups to often" Drinking, and generally
fitting a stage of Altheimer's only then they thought it was Alcohol
caused John Ross kept telling his people to sit tight until Jackson came
to his senses. He didn't and the remaining Cherokees were rounded up,
their plantation homes burned, livestock taken by white settlers, and
they were rounded up and put in a log Stockade and several smaller ones
until John Ross returned. His follower refused to treaty with Jackson
again, so , as northers started blowing, the forced marches the Trail of
Tears was seeing Indians and Mixed breeds, better educated than their
guards, walking in rain and wind and cold . Jesse Bushyhead and John
Foreman, Cousins and ancestors of Tahlequah Wylys above, were ordained
Missionary Baptist Ministers and built pole bleachers inside Camp Hetzel
and held daily Bible Studies and Prayer meetings. They were descended
from Gen. Jopseph Martin and Capt. John Stuart, Rev. War. Jesse worked
from Georgia Missionary Baptist board preaching and translating for
treaty meetings.

Also, Gen, James Rutherford Wyly, grandfather of William Clark Wyly
above, was a Coffee - Cleveland grandchild. Gn. Wyly was second in
command of 700 Anglo and 400 Cherokees who fought the Seminoles in
Florida. They sacked and burned Talahassee and 2 or 3 others before
loosing a battle . Ga. Militia Gen. Ben Cleveland was present- another
grandchild of Col. Ben and a Coffee descendant. Not sure when they earned
the Militia General titles.

John Edward Payne was actor, journalist, and song writer, was jailed for
his strong support of the Cherokees.he wrote HOME SWEET HOME. It was a
song my mom used to play on her Mandolin Gituar- a picked Auto harp,
sitting on our front Porch in Erath County, Texas. She was born in 1900
in Hope, Arkansas with Copeland- Carey- Stone- Hipp roots in South
Carolina, Tennessee, and Ark.

Gen. Coffee, Col. Sevier, Cols Thomas and George Gillespie and others
were friendly to the Indians but followed orders of Jackson. when
rounding up outlaws and rebels. The Indians were their own worst enemy.
Had th3e united American history would have been different.

Take care, sorry I rambled,
Charles A. Wyly

P.S. You should also find the book called "The Trail of Tears " book. I
had one , somewhere. Also, visit the Eastern Cherokee pageant at
Cherokee, N.C outdoor theatre with scenery & buildings on Railroad
tracks to change scenery durinfg the pageant. Park by the library and
Amusement park and ride a school bus there. We noticed several Oklahoma
license plates, chasing their roots.




On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:25:50 EDT writes:
> Question: When was the Trail of Tears? How much involvement did Ge.
> John
> Coffee have in this? My son and a friend rode motorcycles to
> Rogersville and
> then on to Waterloo, AL yesterday. They were there when the first
> motorcycles
> of the ride came in. Authorities estimated that there were about
> 80,000
> riders who rode the trail from Chattanooga, TN to Waterloo, AL. Our
> governor
> also rode. Pat said that he and friend started back east on Hiway 72
> and they
> met riders for about 20 miles. Said it was quite awesome. While they
> were in
> Waterloo, there was a reenactment presented by Indians crossing the
> last
> bridge - going from their lands to the Reservations. Betty.
>
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