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From: "Cheri Casper" <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] View Multiple Individuals in FTST?
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:25:51 -0700
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Paul - I don't know about only one layout file. I deleted several files
with the same name and still had one left with an identical name. Thus I
have the impression that you can save several files with the same name and
no pop-up telling you that this file already exists.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul E. Lawrence" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TMG] View Multiple Individuals in FTST?


> At 03:36 PM 10/19/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >Paul Lawrence - So you are saying that as opposed to having FTST open
only
> >once and the dataset opened twice, you have to open FTST *twice* and then
> >open the dataset in each FTST? Is this correct? When TMG 5.0 comes on
> >board, won't this get confusing as to which set you are editing and which
> >one is for comparison purposes? How will the user know which dataset is
the
> >most current one and avoid the problems of having some corrections in one
> >and some corrections in another? Or is this where we will have to do a
> >merge?
>
> First lets clarify between data sets and projects. A project can contain
> several data sets therefore with a project open you will have a list of
all
> names from all data sets in the Project Explorer. If you need to compare
> information by having two separate Detail views available you can open a
> second copy of the same project. When you go to open the second copy it
> will ask if you want to close the current project. When you say no, FTST
> will open another copy of the program with the same copy. You will have
two
> copies of the program opened to the same project.
>
> As far as editing, and we have not got to that point yet, I would imagine
> it would not make any difference which copy you edited each is point to
the
> same file. When you make a change I would expect that the file is updated
> at that time and the change would reflect in both projects although you
> might have to "refresh" the display in the second project to reread the
> record. I'm sure this is an item we'll be addressing when testing TMG5. So
> for the last part of you paragraph above, don't worry about it now, wait
> and see how it is developed.
>
>
> >I have already run into problems with saving layouts. I kept creating
> >custom layouts and giving each one the same name, fully expecting to see
(as
> >you do in MS Word) a message that a file of this name already exists, do
you
> >want to overwrite, etc.. I did not notice the portion at the bottom of
the
> >page that allows for the overwrite. This design seems contraindicative
of
> >how other Windows programs work. Consequently I ended up with 3 custom
> >layouts all with the same name and no way to know which one was the most
> >recent because I was not able to see any details (like time saved). It
> >seems to me that you at the very least ought to get a message telling you
> >that a layout of that name already exists, even if it means backing out
and
> >going to the bottom of the screen to select the overwrite feature.
> >Personally I would like to see these two portions of the screen merged
into
> >one with the standard Windows message - file exists, do you wish to
> >overwrite -- appearing.
>
> Chalk this up to the learning curve, If you are making changes to an
> existing layout you should use the Overwrite button under the Modify
> section. If you are wanting a brand new layout you should enter the name
> under the Create section. I doubt that Bob will make any major changes as
> far as design but could check for a duplicate name and prevent that from
> occurring in the list. BTW there is only one layout file with the name,
you
> just have multiple names in the list so any one you choose will be the
last
> one that was saved.
>
>
> >Needless to say, the ability to have multiple datasets open and the
> >possibility for corrections and changes to be scattered across multiple
> >datasets instead of one makes me a tad bit nervous. Perhaps this has
> >already been addressed for 5.0 or is being considered, but I think a
serious
> >look at this possibility should be considered.
>
> As I said above, I'm sure we will be looking at that in 5.0, but I don't
> think there will be a problem.
>
>
> >Cheri Casper
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul E. Lawrence" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:53 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TMG] View Multiple Individuals in FTST?
> >
> >
> > > At 06:37 PM 10/19/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> > > >Apologies for being thick, but I am having difficulties with this
concept
> >&
> > > >I have foolishly deleted all the previous messages.
> > > >
> > > >I have a main dataset which contains my main tree. I have another
dataset
> > > >which contains 100 members of the Haliburton family. I want to look
at
> >the
> > > >Haliburtons in my main dataset & the Haliburtons in the Haliburton
> >dataset &
> > > >identify duplicates, possible relationships etc. I have tried
importing
> >both
> > > >datasets into one project & using the Project Manager. This helpfully
> >gives
> > > >me a combined list of the people in both datasets but I only seem to
be
> >able
> > > >to bring up the details of people from one dataset at a time. Is it
> >possible
> > > >to have the details windows of both datasets and the Project Manager
> >window
> > > >open together?
> > > >
> > > >As I couldn't make this work, I tried putting the datasets into 2
> >different
> > > >projects and having both projects open at the same time. Now I can
see
> >both
> > > >details windows at once but I lose the benefits of the joint Project
> >Manager
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Can someone suggest the best way to achieve my objective?
> > >
> > > If you have both data sets in the same project in order to have use of
a
> > > combined Project Explorer, just open a second instance of FTST to the
> >same
> > > project. Make each halve screen and you can compare side by side. You
will
> > > have to rearrange the windows to fit the half screen format probably
but
> > > can save this as a layout also. You can have multiple layouts defined.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >On the same theme, once I have identified duplicates, possible links
etc
> >I
> > > >shall have to open the appropriate dataset in TMG in order to do the
> > > >editing. Would I therefore be better off just having one dataset open
in
> > > >FTST and the dataset for editing open in TMG & switching between the
two?
> > >
> > > You can have both instances of FTST opened and also TMG open and
switch
> > > back and forth as you desire. All dependent on your computer
resources....
> > >
> > >
> > > >In fact, as FTST is read only, I am struggling with understanding how
> >being
> > > >able to compare datasets, accent people etc, is actually going to
help me
> > > >handle my data right now, although I see all the wonderful uses once
> >version
> > > >5.0 is released. Perhaps someone who has worked with it for a while
can
> >give
> > > >some tips on the best method of working with FTST/TMG in tandem?
> > >
> > > There are many ways of accenting you data and filtering your data in
FTST
> > > to analyze the data. You can save these accents and filters to reuse
over
> > > and over. With both FTST and TMG opened you can analyze, switch back
and
> > > forth, edit in TMG, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > >Caroline Gurney
> > > >Portsmouth, UK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Paul E. Lawrence
> > >
> > > My Lawrence Genealogy web page has moved to the following URL:
> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lawrpaul/index.htm
> > >
> > > Includes allied surnames of Bumpass, Byerly, Daughtrey, Ford (Faure),
> > > Harper, Harr, Wilhite/Wilhoit. Also researching Burnett, Daniel,
McMurry,
> > > Hardy, Hill, Bondurant, Stansbury, Towne, Kincaid, and Rose, and
others.
> > >
> > > User of The Master Genealogist (TMG)
http://www.whollygenes.com/index.htm
> > >
> > > Member of the Roots User Group of Arlington, VA:
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> Paul E. Lawrence
>
> My Lawrence Genealogy web page has moved to the following URL:
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lawrpaul/index.htm
>
> Includes allied surnames of Bumpass, Byerly, Daughtrey, Ford (Faure),
> Harper, Harr, Wilhite/Wilhoit. Also researching Burnett, Daniel, McMurry,
> Hardy, Hill, Bondurant, Stansbury, Towne, Kincaid, and Rose, and others.
>
> User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/index.htm
>
> Member of the Roots User Group of Arlington, VA:
http://www.rootsusers.org/
>
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