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From: "Linda Kuhn" <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] Source of a source of a source of a source ... HELP!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:52:18 -0600
In-Reply-To: <20061217210218.VPHP25343.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@MomsLaptop>


Okay. I give up. <g>

There's no way I am going to *explain* the source of the source of the
source in every single CD.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf
> Of Teresa Elliott
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:09 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Source of a source of a source of a source ... HELP!
>
> Linda,
>
> The footnotes are good, but I would get the impression that you were
> citing
> the Tyler History and not the group of papers you found.
>
> I would think you would want something like:
> Oletta Marie Tayler Papers, Tyler Surname Folio. Genealogy Section, New
> Albany Public Library, New Albany, Indiana. Collection cites "The Tyler
> History", as stating "Clovis Tyler, a son of David Tyler, apparently
> states
> he had a sister named Dolly. Dolly may have been a nickname for Dorothy."
> The collection does not contain a copy of the History and the author has
> not
> been about to obtain one at this time.
>
>
> So for that you could use the basic Manuscript( Unpublished) Add the
> Collection..as stating" part as a comment and then the rest as the CD.
> Easy
> enough.
>
> Teresa Ghee Elliott
> --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/
> All I want for Christmas is to know who is George's father is... I've
> been
> good.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf
> Of Linda Kuhn
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:00 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Source of a source of a source of a source ... HELP!
>
> Happy Happy Joy Joy!!!
>
> I think I'm there: "there" being a state where I get what I want without
> violating too many style rules ... read on if you dare. <g>
>
> Teresa Elliott wrote:
> > Why bother trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, if there
> > is a [square] hole sitting nearby.
>
> I misplaced my spare square hole, but Lee Hoffman provided me with one of
> his when he wrote:
> > Okay here is a Custom Source Type for you. Call it say "Manuscript
> > Collection" ...
>
> But then Terry Reigel wrote:
> > I'm not sure it's "proper" to have a source you never saw listed in
> > the bibliography.
>
> So I took my square peg and Lee's square hole, sanded down the edges of
> both
> a bit, and came up with the following which I hope meets with the approval
> of all. If not, please grab a piece of sand paper and help me do some more
> sanding. <LOL>
>
> Y'all are awesome!! Thank you, again, for your time and your help!!
>
> ================================================
>
> Source Type: Manuscript Collection
> ----------------------------------
> Full Footnote:
> [ITAL:][TITLE][:ITAL]<, [CD]> ([MEMO1]; [MEMO2] [RECORD GROUP],
> [REPOSITORY], [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]).< [MEMO3].[:CR:][:TAB:]>< [CM]>.
>
> Short Footnote:
> [ITAL:][SHORT TITLE][:ITAL]<, [CD]> ([MEMO1])<. [CM]>.
>
> Bibliography:
> [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]. [REPOSITORY]. [SUBJECT] ([RECORD GROUP]).
>
> NOTES: (1) I preferred having the title of this particular source in
> quotation marks, but they frustrated correct comma placement when CD is
> present so I compromised and used italics instead. (2) I moved the CD from
> the end up to just behind the Title and added CM to the end. Thanks,
> Terry,
> for the CM tip! (3) To avoid a visual run-in, I added CR+TAB after Memo3
> in
> the Full Footnote. This was unnecessary for the Short Footnote where Memo3
> is omitted. (4) I added Memo1 (as referenced by Oletta Marie Tyler) to the
> Short Footnote just because I felt it was needed for clarity. (5) I think
> Terry is right about not using an unseen source in the Bibliography so I
> added Subject (Oletta Marie Tyler Papers) and removed Title (Tyler
> History).
>
>
>
> Source Definition
> -----------------
> Abbreviation:
> TYLER: Tyler History, O M Tyler Papers*
> Title:
> Tyler History
> Subject:
> Oletta Marie Tyler Papers
> Record Group:
> Tyler Surname Folio, Genealogy Section
> Memo1:
> as referenced by Oletta Marie Tyler
> Memo2:
> see her papers in the
> Memo3:
> The Tyler History has not been seen by this researcher;
> author and publication information remain unknown. A
> copy of the history was not found in the [REPOSITORY]
>
> *I decided "Papers" was a more accurate description
> of the source than "Collection".
>
>
> Repository
> ----------
> New Albany Public Library, New Albany, Indiana
>
>
> *** OUTPUT ***
> --------------
> Disclaimer: The following contains a fictional person with fictional
> sample
> citations, created in my "test" project.
>
>
> Dolly Tyler(1) was born in December 1855 in MN.(2) She died in 1897 in
> Georgetown, Floyd County, IN.(3)
>
>
> Footnotes/Endnotes:
> (1) Tyler History, citing Clovis Tyler (as referenced by Oletta Marie
> Tyler;
> see her papers in the Tyler Surname Folio, Genealogy Section, New Albany
> Public Library, New Albany, IN). The Tyler History has not been seen by
> this
> researcher; author and publication information remain unknown. A copy of
> the
> history was not found in the New Albany Public Library.
> Clovis Tyler, a son of David Tyler, apparently states he had a
> sister
> named Dolly. Dolly may have been a nickname for Dorothy.
>
> (2) Tyler History, citing Clovis Tyler (as referenced by Oletta Marie
> Tyler). Dolly does not appear in the census household of David Tyler until
> 1880, however that census does lend support to the birth date as given. If
> she was a child of David, as Clovis apparently asserts, it is a mystery
> why
> she was not enumerated in her father's household in 1860 and 1870.
>
> (3) Tyler History (as referenced by Oletta Marie Tyler). No other evidence
> has been found for this date, and the source for it is not shown in the
> Tyler History.
>
>
> Bibliography:
> New Albany, IN. New Albany Public Library. Oletta Marie Tyler Papers
> (Tyler
> Surname Folio, Genealogy Section).



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