TMG-L Archives

Archiver > TMG > 2007-04 > 1176757898

From: "Virginia Basken" <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] Poll - Census: An event or a source or both?
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:12:41 -0400
References: <><2007414155033.136982@Terry3><000601c78037$9cff92a0$6901a8c0@LENOVO8999C918>

In reference to people being in two places on the same census, I, too have
run across this in one or two of my families, but the strangest one is the
case where my great-grandmother lived at one address with her adult
children, three daughters and a son, in 1905 (NY State Census). According
to the Hudson, NY City Directory of 1912, she lived at the same address.
But, in 1910, (Federal census) another family with the same (unusual)
surname, but different given names, lived at that address (a woman and her
several grown children, all female.) I can only imagine that my
great-granny was hidiing under an assumed name, at that time, for whatever
reason. It's one of my genealogical mysteries.
I'm not sure how to enter this event in TMG. For now, I have entered this
census enumeration under "notes" rather than "census," although I suppose
the latter would be reasonable to do. I did change the sentence structure to
include the enumeration details.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franklin Ingram" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TMG] Poll - Census: An event or a source or both?

> An interesting thread. Duplicate entries seem to have different reasons.
> A
> more innocent one might be the same person in two different households on
> two different enumeration days or at different times on the same
> enumeration
> day. In my experience, this has happened with children who were being
> cared
> for by someone other than the parent(s) for some reason at that particular
> time (see Terry's example below).
> But sometimes, the census taker seemed to have done a double entry for
> reasons of his own but changed a bit about the individuals enumerated.
> All
> census takers were not created equal and some were less scrupulous than
> others. At least one expert on the history of census takers attributed
> this
> to reasons such as "padding the books" or simple carelessness in
> transferring their notes from the days work to the proper census format
> while relaxing in the local tavern.
> Personally, I have seen this "double counting" from time to time with
> entire
> families. Sometimes it looked as though there was no good reason or
> explanation for this other than the whim/or carelessness of the census
> taker.
> However, in one example I have in my research, the same family was
> enumerated in two states (only a few miles apart). Apparently they moved
> down the road and across the river (GA/AL) between being enumerated in GA
> and subsequently being enumerated in AL. In times past taking the census
> could last for weeks. Franklin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf
> Of Terry Reigel
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:51 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Poll - Census: An event or a source or both?
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:15:55 +0100, David Greenhalgh wrote:
>> Not quite true although it should be if enumerators/householders
>> followed instructions. I have at least four cases of people being
>> counted in two places.
> Actually, in the U.S. she should have been listed where she normally
> lived -
> see, for example, the instructions for 1860:
> -----
> 3. Individual Names.-- Under heading 3, entitled "The name of every person
> whose usual place of abode on the 1st day of June, 1860, was in this
> family," insert the name of every free person in each family, of every
> age,
> including the names of those temporarily absent on a journey, visit, or
> for
> the purposes of education, as well as those that were at home on that day.
> ------
> The duplicate entries I've seen seem to be people who just can't decide
> which is their "usual" place of abode - two fellows with a business with
> living quarters in the next county from their "town" home; a young teacher
> off on her first job and her parents still listed her at home; and
> children
> not with their parents listed with two different set of relatives.
> Terry Reigel
> -------------------------------
> For searching the list archives and other list information, please go to
> To contact the TMG List Administrator, send a message to
> .
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message

This thread: