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From: "Janis Rodriguez" <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] Citation Display Suggestion
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:59:03 -0400
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Rae Jean,

Try a LOE[vents] instead of the list of sources. In LOE you can't print the
[CD] or any details about the source like a List of Citations but you can
vary column output and sort on designated columns.

Any Citation Src Number= Equals[?]END

I suggest the following Output Columns:

Tag Type Label
1Prin1 Last, Given
Prin1 ID
Prin2 Last, Given
Prin2 ID

Make sure the width is wide enough not to truncate the info and print to a
spreadsheet where you can adjust the columns without worrying about paper
size. Sorting on Prin1 sorts the events by with the person so you can clean
them the identified tags for each person. Prin2 is arguably not really
necessary because the tag will be cleaned for both principal. That info can
help if you have several of the same tag with different Prin2, like multiple
marriages of census tags. The date should differentiate between those tags,
but other visual clues don't hurt and the data should easily fit in the

Since this is an LOE, you can even set a flag for these folks and then
filter the Project Explorer for folks with that flag! Then work your way
through those people using the list of events to tell you which tag to open.


-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf
Of Rae Jean
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TMG] Citation Display Suggestion

Bob, Diana
Looking at this again this morning I see that the desire to see which
citations are associated with particular tags occurs most often while I am
in the detail view (person view).

While the _list of sources preview to screen_ report (sources associated
with the person displayed in the detail view) is helpful, it would be much
more useful if it also exhibited WHICH tags were associated with the sources
revealed in the report. That is why I have to open / close tags... to find
where each source is cited. I waste tons of time doing this so I can _add,
delete, edit or exclude_ a source. I do not mind having to open a tag if I
know _before hand_ it houses (or should house) the particular source I want
to alter (or add) for that person and tag.

Surely we are not the only three users who have thoughts on the issue.
Rae Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hunter" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: [TMG] Citation Display Suggestion

Diana, Rae Jean
I'd like to see what I might call a "citation tip" when in the detail
window, it doesn't need to be full detail just enough to remind me of the
provenance of the info in the tag. Perhaps I'm asking for a little less info
than you but a bit earlier in the process. When I've got a number of
alternative birth dates for a principal (from different censuses, family
records, birth certificates for example) I'd like to be able to see at a
glance where each date came from etc.
But I do like your idea of a modified master source list so it could link to
a list of associated events.

> Rae Jean,
> I'd also love to see a tool tips feature for the citation window. I
> can't visualize any way of doing it without first opening into a specific
> tag, but if I could then see the full content of each citation without
> having to open it I'd be most happy.
> Re your other idea: I'd love any approach that allowed me to filter for
> all
> tags that had a particular source attached to them but that also allowed
> me
> to actually access the tag from the list - sort of an interactive List of
> Citations report filtered for 1 source.
> I'd go for something along the lines of the Master Event list... say you
> could filter for a particular source and then it would bring up a list of
> each tag associated with that source. The tag would be listed in column 1
> with whoever is associated with the tag in column 2 - maybe column 3 could
> tell you if they were a principal or witness on the tag and column 4 could
> show you the contents of the CD field. .... and then with the added
> ability
> to click right into the tag or better yet right into the CD field. You
> could have the same tag and listed 4 or 5 times in column 1 if it had 2
> principals and several witnesses but that would be O.K.
> Diana Powell
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Rae Jean
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:19 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [TMG] Citation Display Suggestion -- WAS changing surnames
>> Bob
>> I love the tool tips concept and have made use of it in most situations.
>> Now
>> that has spoiled me and I want to see more -- version 7 allows the
>> addition
>> of being able to view tag (witnesses) associates which helps.
>> But citations are also a VERY important part of the equation and I want
>> to
>> see them without having to open / close one tag at a time or having to
>> run
>> a
>> report (usage of a specific citation or sources associated with that
>> person). Neither quite solves the problem of being able to QUICKLY view
>> which citation is attached to a tag or group of tags for that individual.
>> IMHO, the issue now is that the citations are "sitting in the wings"
>> while
>> the _tags, dates, memo content & associates_ are all center stage.
>> In version 6.12, the right click menu has filters whereby we can filter
>> for
>> a type of tag, primary events, BMDB events or non-witnessed events -- an
>> alternative suggestion would be to add a filter for tag(s) associated
>> with
>> a
>> particular source number... IF you could have the _sources associated
>> with
>> a
>> person_ report open at the same time.
>> This actually is an alternative suggestion as my first preference would
>> be
>> for tool tip window (user choice or setting in preferences) to pop up
>> displaying
>> 1. all sources cited for a particular tag or
>> 2. all tags cited by a particular source.
>> What do you think?
>> Rae Jean
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Hunter" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TMG] changing surnames
>> Rae Jean said:
>> (snip)
>> > Did I mention I hate having to open and close tags in order to see the
>> > content or citation -- has that changed in version 7?
>> (snip)
>> Can I just say how much I agree with you, Rae Jean. Wouldn't it be good
>> to
>> have an optional window which displayed the details, witnesses, citations
>> etc of a tag as you hovered your mouse over the tag in the "Detail"
>> window
>> and which automatically moved to the details of the next tag as you moved
>> your mouse to it. A tick in a column on the Details window is not quite
>> enough information for me when I'm in research mode!
>> Bob

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