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From: "Michael J. Hannah" <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] one tag, one source, two different citations
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:11:11 -0600
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Hi Dennis,

I believe you got your immediate answer about "Ibid" but thought you
might like a more complete explanation of this somewhat confusing
function in TMG. "Ibid" can be especially confusing if you use split
Citation Details ([CD]) or use Citation Memos ([CM]). My notes about
"ibid" are as follows.

The use of “ibid” can be thought of as an alternative to the Short
Footnote but it does not have a user-defined output format. The Full
Footnote appears the first time a source is cited. The Short Footnote
appears as the second _non-consecutive_ reference to the same source.
Use of “ibid” is for subsequent _consecutive_ references to the same
source, which happened in your case of two different citations to the
same source in one tag.

The functioning of “ibid” is controlled in *two* different locations:
the source options in the Report Definition, and the three choices on
each specific source’s output tab. Excluding ibid for the entire report
in the Report Definition, or choosing no ibid for that particular
source, produces obvious results: the first reference uses Full Footnote
and all subsequent use Short Footnote.

If the conditions are appropriate for “ibid” to be output
_no_source_output_template_is_used_, you only get the word “ibid”
possibly followed by _only_ [CD1] (which is the same as [CD] if the
citation detail is not split). Choosing “requires same source” for a
particular source produces ibid every time the previous citation is the
same source, *plus* will follow the word “ibid” with (_only_) [CD1] if
any part of either the CD or CM differs from the previous citation.

NOTE: identical [CD1]'s but differing data in other split parts of the
CD, or completely identical CD's but differing CM's, will trigger the
condition to print "something" after the word “ibid”, but will _only_
print [CD1], making it very unclear why this occurred if the [CD1]'s are
identical. Choosing “requires same source and [CD]” will only output
ibid (and always _only_ the word ibid) if the source and _all_ of the CD
*and* the CM are identical to the previous citation. If any part of the
CD's or CM's differ, ibid will not be used and the Short Footnote
template will be used.

Therefore [my personal ibid principle here!!] ,
• *if* a source uses split CD's, or
• *if* the output templates include CM and two citations are likely to
differ only in the CM,
*then* I never choose “requires same source” for that source for its
ibid output. If I want ibid, I use “requires same source and [CD]”.

Hope this helps your control over your citations,

Michael

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