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From: Tony Johnson <>
Subject: Re: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:49:08 -0800
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John

Again Thank You very much for your imput on tOUR Hatcher familes

Tony



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Subject: RE: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:26:49 -0600










Tony

Regarding the Hatchers mentioned in your chain of messages, I have George Nathan Ragan in my genealogy file and his wife, Charlotte Louisa Catherine Hatcher in my genealogy file. Charlotte is the daughter of James Riley Hatcher who, in turn, is the son of John Landrum Hatcher, John Landrum, who is my great-great grandfather, is the son of John Hatcher who is the first Hatcher who came to Humphreys County.

Nathan and Louisa (or Katie) had 13 kids, the third one being Mary Valerie Ragan who married Asa Herbert Greenwell, Sr. Mary Valerie and Asa had three children of whom 2 are still living.

Valerie’s oldest brother, Floyd Ellis Ragan, after his first wife died, married one of my aunts, Sarah Etta Elizabeth Hatcher whose first husband had died.

I do not have very much information on the Robertsons that were mentioned. But there is a Abner Hickman Robertson who married Amanda Rittie Jane Hatcher. Amanda is a younger sister of Charlotte Louisa Catherine Hatcher.

I have a lot of dates and places on the folks mentioned above that I will be glad to provide if desired.

I’m not an expert on DNA but I participated in the DNA work that Nel Hatcher did for her Hatcher genealogy program and I matched up perfectly with only one other Hatcher and he is (as am I) a known descendant of John Hatcher who came to Humphreys county in about 1818. There were many other Hatcher participants in the program who were members of other (than Humphreys County) Hatcher families. In the type of DNA tests that I was involved in the markers were carried only through male lines and could not be compared with any female DNA tests. My understanding is that female DNA markers are carried only from female to female and cannot be usefully compared to any male tests.

Take care, John L. Hatcher




From: Tony Johnson [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 12:04 AM
To: tndickso; John Hatcher (Cousin Humphreys Co)
Subject: RE: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills


John

THe Female MDNA is totally unreliable in my opinion. The Hatcher DNA of Hurricane Creek, Humphreys Co. is an exact match to The descendants of William Hatcher whose first lands were on Wards Creek as he bought them from the WIdow of Capt. John Ward ( Warde) His next purchase of lands was from the widow Box ( WHose same Family Tree descendants are in Humphreys Co thru one Moses Box)

We use FTDNA testing for Male descendants of Johnson-Johnston-Johnstone-Jonsen etc on it various spellings. WE have 15 different DNA Johnson's coming out of the VA-NC-GA-TN-Texas Groups that have been tested.

We use the following method of research : "TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR IS TO KNOW YOUR KINSMAN" WE start with the Creek, Mountain, Waterway that the families lived on and build out and back from there. THe reason is families traveled in CLANS they stayed in their Social Groups. THey went off to War in them, THey moved with them and then re married into these same groups ( CLANS)

I Would suggest you go to the Hatcher FAmily WEb site ran my NEL HATCHER to find out more on your Hatcher familes as I do not recgonize this group of Hatcher, I will send this on to My Cousin John L. Hatcher to see if he knows more about this line of Hatcher as he is the best source for the Humphreys Co. Hatchers.

I beleive the David Robertson below is the same family tree as General James Randolph RObertson. Please remember when doing research ever County has a Parent COunty and lots of these waterways are in the Original COunty CHeatham COunty is currently I think on the Border of WHite Oak Creek, which was at one time in DIckson and I think is still partially in Humphreys Co.: Reason Cheatham County was part of Montgomery and RObertson Co. which included DIckson County and Humphreys County at one time.

The Waterways of Old were the gIghways that we have today. Everyone back then traveled along waterways and their water coarses to travel. Lots of Researchers fail to look at the dividing points between County Lines and the Time Era's of Formation. As Creeks, Rivers and Tops of Mountians were the area's were COunty lines were set. Families were only seperated by being on one side of a Creek, ususally one that could be waded accross.

Tony


> From:
> To:
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:47:36 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills
>
> Tony:
>
> The information you supplied is interesting. Charlotte Louisa Katherine
> Hatcher was my Grandma (Ragan's )aunt. She was married to my
> Great-Grandfather Leonard's brother, George Nathan Ragan. My Grandma spoke
> often of Aunt Katie and Uncle Nathan. They were the parents of Grandma's
> cousin Valerie Greenwell. I also hook up with the Robertson's. Grandma's Ma
> was Sarah Ellinor "Lena" Robertson. About as far back as I can take the
> Robertson's is to my Great-4 Grandfather David Robertson. How does the Dna
> stuff work when you go back and forth from male to female then back to male
> lines? I have a lot of other interconnected families in Montgomery and
> Cheatham Counties. In addition to all this is the fact that, e.g., is that
> I am related to Green Jackson of Dickson. Two Green Jackson's, contemporary
> to each other, and related. Which is the cousin and which is the
> Grandfather? Same problem with two David Robertson's. If you have any ideas
> I would appreciate it.
>
> John
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tony Johnson" <>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:59 PM
> To: "tndickso" <>
> Subject: Re: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills
>
> >
> > John
> >
> > I forgot yes Hudson Johnson lines connect to the Patrick Hudson families
> > of Dickson and Humphreys Co. Tn, Go to rootsweb.com and run Elvin Johnson
> > married to Lucy Curtis and look for file by TJStubby, Tony Johnson of Peg
> > Zaremba. (my first cousin) Go to the Index and you will find how the
> > Hudson's Connect you will also find files on the other interalted familes
> > and how they are all marrying each other.
> >
> > Hudson Johnson came from lands on Buffalo Creek connected with the Smith
> > River also called the Irvine River in what was first Halifax Co Va, lands
> > went into Pittsylvania Co. To Henry Co Va.. THe people never moved the
> > COunty lines and Parish Lines DID. Hudson Johnson came To lands on Big
> > Washington Co. NC ( these lands were also claimedd by Washington Co Va)
> > and also by the Lost State of Franklin. ( Our 14th Colony). THese lands go
> > thru several County Lands Changes at Tn Statehood and end up in Hawkins CO
> > TN. Rev. THomas Murrell lead two groups of Settlers to these lands. Big
> > Creek was the home of Charollette Reeves and Then James Randolph Robertson
> > ( First Owner of the Iron Furnace in what is now Dickson Co Tn on Bartons
> > Creek. rev. Thomas Murrrell was married to the widow James Johnson of
> > Henry Co Va. who Hudson Johnson lived with in 1776-1780 ERA, he also lived
> > with a William Johnson of Henry Co. in that time frame.
> >
> > Descendants of Hudson Johnson are a DNA Match to descendants of Michael
> > Johnson who died 1718 on Tuckahoe Creek in Henrico Co. Va. Michael Johnson
> > was married to Sarah Watson, whose father's will was witnessed by 2
> > Hatcher's Ben Hatcher and Benjamin Hatcher Jr. These Hatcher families
> > connect right back to Wards Creek in 1630 ERA as do the Box familes of
> > Humphreys and Williamson Co TN. Of NOte Two of Michael Johnson's neighbors
> > on Tuckahoe Creek the Randolph Families, The Burtons and another Hatcher
> > Family in 1690.
> >
> > One of General James Randolph Robertson forefather is also a land owner on
> > Wards Creek in 1670-1680 ERA.
> >
> > These people have been intermarrying since they arrived in the Colony of
> > Va.
> >
> > Tony L. Johnson
> >
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:38:28 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills
> >>
> >> Sandy:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the suggestions. I will try that.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Sandra Ellis" <>
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:03 PM
> >> To: <>
> >> Subject: Re: [TNDICKSO] FW: TN Wills
> >>
> >> > John,
> >> >
> >> > Much of the microfilm available on Tennessee counties is available from
> >> > TSLA on interlibrary loan. You might also try Western Reserve in
> >> > Cleveland. I understand they have quite a large amount of information
> >> > on the TN area.
> >> >
> >> > Sandy Ellis
> >> >
> >> > On 2/24/2011 4:53 PM, John Beery wrote:
> >> >> Tony:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the information. I hope I can get in contact with someone
> >> >> who
> >> >> has
> >> >> more info. As I live in Northwest Ohio, I rarely get to Nashville.
> >> >> I have a question about your Hudson Johnson. Was he kin to the
> >> >> Hudson's?
> >> >> The
> >> >> reason I ask is that my Great-aunt Lucy Hudson married Larry Baggett;
> >> >> brother to my Grandpa John Baggett. Just thought I would ask.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks again,
> >> >>
> >> >> John Beery
> >> >>
> >> >
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