TNLINCOL-L Archives

Archiver > TNLINCOL > 2000-10 > 0970936546


From: Randy Winbush <>
Subject: [LCT] Re: TNLINCOL-D Digest V00 #316
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:35:46 -0500
References: <200010071157.e97Bvt505736@lists5.rootsweb.com>


My Lincoln county ancestors were TARWATER. The Tarwaters are well documented in
the Knoxville, TN area in the 1700s. Mine are most likely some of those. They
lived in the Lincoln/Franklin/Bedford Counties area. The earliest I can connect to
is John Tarwater found in the 1850 Lincoln Co. census. There was another John
Tarwater older than him who died before 1840 in that area who may have been John's
father. John's son Charles b. 1844 in Franklin Co. served in the Civil War. His
enlistment papers described him as: Hair-black, eyes-black, complexion-dark. He
was 21 yrs old, 5 feet six inches tall. One of Charles' granddaughter, my
grandmother, had thick long black hair, black eyes, and dark complexion. My
grandpa called her "black Dutch".
I have learned through research that the term has been used to describe almost
anyone of mixed blood dark complexioned race including indian, portuguese dutch
mix, Germans from the Black Forest, Negro, and the Melungeons of the North
Carolina mountains area who were believed to be descendants of early spanish or
Morrocan descent.
It is interesting, but impossible to prove.
If anyone is connected to the TARWATER line please reply..

Randy Winbush

wrote:

> Subject:
>
> TNLINCOL-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 316
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 [LCT] Re: TNLINCOL-D Digest V00 #3 []
> #2 [LCT] Re: Black Dutch []
> #3 [LCT] Black Dutch ["Howard, Carolyn S" <carolyn.s.how]
> #4 Re: [LCT] Black Dutch ["SANFORD J. MASON,JR." <sjmasonjr@]
> #5 Re: [LCT] Black Dutch ["CLIFF ANDREWS" <]
> #6 [LCT] A general question all famil [Sheila Endres <]
> #7 [LCT] New Lincoln County Tn. Query []
> #8 [LCT] New Lincoln County Tn. Query []
>
> Administrivia:
> To unsubscribe from TNLINCOL-D, send a message to
>
>
>
> that contains in the body of the message the command
>
> unsubscribe
>
> and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software
> requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too.
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [LCT] Re: TNLINCOL-D Digest V00 #315
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:28:45 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> In a message dated 10/6/00 1:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> << Hi all,
> As an Abbott family member, I also remember hearing about having Black Dutch
> in my blood along with Irish descent. I found all the comments very
> interesting. I can tell you all that several of the Abbott family members
> have striking dark hair, skin, and eyes but probably an equal number that
> are fair skinned, freckled, with lighter hair and eyes. I would love to
> hear
> from anyone researching the Abbott families of Lincoln County, TN.
> Thanks, Bobby Abbott
> >>
>
> I would like the same info. my grandmother used this term also and would like
> to know what it means
>
> Sherry Prince Hayes
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [LCT] Re: Black Dutch
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:06:36 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> A web search for the term Melungeon will reveal a most interesting history
> for persons said to be Black Dutch. My own Mother from whom I developed my
> interest in Genealogy described her lineage as English, Irish, Scot, some
> Indian and Dutch.
>
> As described we have the usual number of blonds and the occasional olive
> complexioned cousin. My Mom had an olive complextion and had black hair;
> needless to say I thought she was beautiful. And if she were here today I
> would tell her so.
>
> My paternal lineage is through Joel Sims orginally from Laurens Co., SC who
> lived in Lincoln Co. from 1810 to 1827 when he moved to Morgan Co., Ala. Some
> of my mothers kin, Learwood or Larwood, are still in the Lincoln Co. area.
> They originally came from Laurens Co., SC. The families linages were
> Learwood, Shockley, and Collins. Collins is a name contained within some
> lists of Melungeon families.
>
> J. Sims.
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [LCT] Black Dutch
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:24:59 -0400
> From: "Howard, Carolyn S" <>
> To:
>
> Guess I'll have to put my two cents' worth in. All my life I've heard that
> we were "Black Dutch". Now, it was my grandmother on my mother's side who
> said it, so I always thought that she was talking about the Thomas family.
> Her maiden name was Thomas and that is usually a Welsh name, although I've
> been discovering that there are Thomases from other countries, like Germany,
> for instance. But now that I am into genealogy, I'm wondering if she was
> talking about my grandfather's family (her husband) - the Gilbert family -
> sometimes spelled in olden days, Guilbert. They (the Gilberts) came down
> from either Virginia or North Carolina - definitely through NC, to Georgia,
> then some came to Alabama, and then to Mississippi. I don't know where
> her Thomas line started. She was born in Lincoln Co., GA and her father was
> born in Georgia, but where before that, I don't know. Grandmaw was small in
> stature, had snappy coal-black eyes and, of course, had very long
> greyish-silverish hair, done up into a bun in the back. She might have been
> a little more olive-skinned than the rest of us now that I think about it
>
> My grandmother whose maiden name was Clark and whose father and grandfather
> had been in Lincoln Co., TN, actually looked more Indian than anybody else
> I'm related to, except for her mother who was a Winfield.
>
> So now, having said all this, and having not contributed anything
> worthwhile, I'm done. Hope to find out just what Black Dutch means one of
> these days.
>
> Sue Howard
>
>
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [LCT] Black Dutch
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:10:45 -0500
> From: "SANFORD J. MASON,JR." <>
> To:
>
> My husbands family was 'Blackdutch', Germans from the French boarder went to
> Holland to escape the Russian Revolutions. We have everyone proven and in
> this family the term Black Dutch was for the olive skin and dark eyes. Some
> of our family were German Jew and some have been called Black Dutch. It
> could help immigrants gain entry if they used the Black Dutch term.
> Alicia
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [LCT] Black Dutch
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:18:41 -0500
> From: "CLIFF ANDREWS" <>
> To:
>
> two sites for black dutch:
>
> http://rosecity.net/cherokee/blackdutch.html
>
> http://homepages:rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/blkdutch.htm
>
> if these do not work, go to the search engine and type in black dutch.
>
> Brenda
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [LCT] A general question all families might be able to answer
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 22:06:58 -0500
> From: Sheila Endres <>
> To:
>
> The kinfolk I have in Lincoln county were residents in the 1820s. They
> had moved from Washington Co TN. From other people's postings, I notice
> many of the same surnames as those families who were in Washington and
> Greene counties, so I wonder if there was a group from east TN who moved
> to Lincoln county together for whatever reason. Perhaps they all had
> land awards from the War of 1812? Perhaps they were moving to establish
> a new church community? (My kin were Presbyterian.)
>
> My question is this: do any of you know how this area was settled? Was
> it all at once, like a land award rush might be, or was it sporadic,
> like happenstance? Does anyone else know of related families who moved
> out to Lincoln county together from East TN? What was the relationship
> of those East TN surnames, like Wilson, Alexander, Carson, McLin,
> Broyles, Bayless, Cunningham, Blackmore/Blakemore, etc., to those here
> in Middle TN?
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [LCT] New Lincoln County Tn. Query Forum Post
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:05:24 -0700
> From:
> To:
>
> Lincoln County Tn. Query Forum
> A new message, "david cowan thorp," was posted by lissa on Fri, 06 Oct
> 2000 It is a response to "David Cowan or Cowen," posted by Ryan Cowan
> on Sun, 12 Mar 2000
>
> Surname: thorp, kemp, cowan, stidham
>
> This is an automatically-generated notice. If you'd like to be removed
> from the mailing list, please visit the Lincoln County Tn. Query Forum:
>
> <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Lincoln#Subscribe>;
>
> If you wish to respond to this message, please post your response directly
> to the board.
> <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Lincoln>;
>
> ______________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [LCT] New Lincoln County Tn. Query Forum Post
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:57:14 -0700
> From:
> To:
>
> Lincoln County Tn. Query Forum
> A new message, "1860 Census," was posted by Lucy E. Freeman on Sat, 07
> Oct 2000
>
> Surname: Maroney
>
> This is an automatically-generated notice. If you'd like to be removed
> from the mailing list, please visit the Lincoln County Tn. Query Forum:
>
> <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Lincoln#Subscribe>;
>
> If you wish to respond to this message, please post your response directly
> to the board.
> <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Lincoln>;

This thread: