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From: BaggyGenes <>
Subject: Re: [LCT] Black Dutch
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 22:18:57 -0700
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Are there histories that deal specifically with the Black
Dutch/Irish/etc. by reputable scholars? I know there are theories, but
to my knowledge, there's little if any evidence supporting most of them
(although, some are more likely than others). I do believe you're right
that these terms are fairly recent -- I haven't seen such references
before the 1860s-70s. Anyone know of earlier mentions??

jk

Jeanette wrote:

> We have to go way way back in our history to see why some of us are
> darker/swarthier then others. And some have light blue eyes and some
> dark blue eyes. We have to go all the way back to the Moors......and
> the Greeks....AS we now have the Black Dutch, the Black Irish, the
> Black Scots etc. Read your early, early History folks, as well as
> your newer history......my mother was a Black Dutch lady, dark hair
> dark eyes, never burned, only got darker in the sun. She was one of
> nine children born to Joseph John Herman Engelmeyer and Elizabeth
> Hundepohl Engelmeyer. Her father was dark haired, dark eyed, dark
> skin - her mother was very blonde and blue eyed. They both were born
> in Missouri but both their parents were from Germany - the same area
> of Germany. My mother had siblings that were light blonde, blue eyed,
> and red hair with blue or brown eyes, and dark dark hair and dark
> eyes, all from the same German parents. Simply because the light hair,
> blue eyes were from the Swiss side of Germany and the dark hair brown
> eyes, dark skin was from the "Black Dutch" side of Germany. Its all
> in the genes, and the names Black Dutch, Black Irish, Black Scots are
> not that old - these are fairly new to the English lanquage here in
> America. Jeanette.
>
> At 05:02 PM 4/5/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> My son says there's no such thing! I don't know, but it seems like
>> there are
>> TOO MANY different opinions!
>> Velma
>>
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