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From: Lucy and Norm Smith <>
Subject: Re: [LCT] BLACK DUTCH
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:21:50 -0500
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In your discussion of Black Dutch and others, you might want to do some
research into the Melongeon's. Thought to be of Portugese descent, they
show characteristics such as a definite bump on the back of the head, and a
ridge behind the teeth that makes an audible clicking sound. They were
NOT American Indians, but intermarried with natives. This may explain some
of your queries.
Lucy









At 05:17 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, it's a fascinating subject and I want to thank everybody who has
>responded to my question. I still don't have a real clear idea of what
>Black Dutch really means, but I believe that what you said, Cindy, makes a
>lot of sense about them being half white and half Indian, and not wanting to
>let anybody know that. Everybody in my family - my brothers and sisters,
>that is - we all had very dark brown hair, brown eyes that were a little bit
>almond shaped, and a fair complexion. My hair was (I say "was" because it's
>now getting so much gray in it) the darkest of all - it actually looked more
>black than brown. My complexion is very light and I always found it hard to
>get a tan in the summer, but not hard at all to get a burn. Of course,
>that's probably my Scot-Irish-English heritage coming into play. Some of my
>surnames for the purpose of Black Dutch discussion were: Gilbert or
>Guilbirt, Strickland, Braswell, Canady or Canada, Brown, Thomas, Greene,
>Merritt, Pitt/Pitts, Lamar, Ashby, Winfield, Sherard, Dickey, and the ones
>who were in Lincoln Co. were Clark, Cowan and McKee. My Johnson's, I'm
>pretty sure, were Scots - they even called my grandfather John "Mac" Johnson
>and his brother, Jim "Mac" Johnson. I know nobody asked for this info, but
>just thought I would throw it in. Hope it's okay.
>
>Sue (Johnson) Howard
>,
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>Subject: Re: [LCT] BLACK DUTCH
>
>
>> Hi List,
>> I just have to get in on this one also. My grandfather always told us
>we
>> were "Black Dutch", and I have never been able to learn what that means. I
>> have seen several possibilities....The German descent, who originated from
>> the "Black Forest"...the one where the Dutch and Spaniards crossed way
>back
>> when...and one I really find interesting is this: That back in the early
>> 1800's you could not be "Indian" or you were sent to the reservations, and
>> that if you were half white and half indian you could say you were "black
>> dutch" and get away with that, and own your own lands. As far as traits,
>what
>> I found was dark hair and skin and fair eyes, this fit my grandfather, but
>I
>> have also seen where others day traits are dark hair with fair skin and
>eyes,
>> so..
>> This was an excellant question, I would love to hear what others have
>to
>> say.
>> Cindy
>>
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