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From: "Eldon Wilkins" <>
Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman families
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:13:21 -0700
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Carolyn...were you able to access the info that Don sent
you. If you cannot figure out during this 1880 census (and want to use the
feature) how to look at neighbors of an
individual "yell" back. Think I have mentioned this is a
fun search and gives you the family of an individual that
eventually married another of that family. Re Don's suggestion, This family
search site brings up, when you type in a name, the information there from
several sources, not only the 1880 census. You may find errors (as people
have sent these submissions of their families) but it is gives you a
wonderful source in which to begin.
M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Summers" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman families


> Carolyn,
>
> For everyone that doesn't already know abut it the website
> http://www.familysearch.org/ is free and includes the 1880 US census. YOu
> caan help yourselves faster by learning the resources available. Carolyn,
> there are quite a few Watts living in Smith County in 1880, some are
> related
> to me.
>
> Don Summers
> Southport, FL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn Lawrence" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
> families
>
>
>> Hi,
>> If by any chance you could and would ; would you sometime try to look
>> for Watts on that census list? Hopefully there is an index. If you can
>> that would be wonderful ; if you can't I do understand.
>> Carolyn Manker Lawrence
>> Lawrence County Arkansas
>>
>> Eldon Wilkins wrote:
>>
>> > I just checked my 1880 Fed Census C.D's-Random
>> > check found these (hope it will help someone)-In Union City, Obion,
>> > Tn. found Male-Caleb Carmen, 55 (b 1825)
>> > Single; with brother Saunders Carmen, single' and a male, M. L. Perry
>> > listed as other age 35 and also single; and a Frankie Carman age 46,
>> > male, Black as Other;
>> >
>> > Found Darkas C. Carman single, 74, b Tnn. (in Obion)
>> > In Troy, Obion, Tenn found an Ace A. Stafford, 45 with Lizze J. 35
>> > wife, and fam; Also in Troy found a Samuel Stafford, 24 (b 1856) in
>> > N.C. with Joel B. Foulks family; and a Samuel Stafford (b 1857) 23 in
>> > Franklin, Tn. with Eliza 25 and family.
>> >
>> > If you need me to look up a name on 1880 that will help, let me know.
>> > You see, there are a lot of Staffords.
>> > Melba
>> >
>> > There are in 1880 in state of Tenn 506 Stafford surnames, a lot in
>> > Jackson Co.,
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Maupin" <>
>> > To: <>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> > families
>> >
>> >
>> >> Yes, I have the book, that was the reason I bought it..
>> >> According to the deed, I read it the same way you did. You want me to
>> >> go get a copy of the deed? I can go to town on Tuesday and get a
>> >> copy, maybe Mon. afternoon if I get back from Nashville in time.
>> >>
>> >> Peggy
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <>
>> >> To: <>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:33 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> >> families
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Peggy,
>> >>> More than likely Caleb is the same person. I am going to get the
>> >>> agreement
>> >>> so we can see what they were agreeing to! I have collected
>> >>> information but
>> >>> can't seem to pin Caleb down.
>> >>> Do you have the "Early Coffin Maker Funeral Home Records" from the
>> >>> Thorp,
>> >>> Thorp and Oakley 1852-1972? It has several Stafford records in it.
>> >>> Shirley
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Peggy Maupin" <>
>> >>> To: <>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:36 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> >>> families
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Shirley,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I thought she was female also, the 1820 census and 1840 census on
>> >>>> the
>> >>>
>> >>> Smith
>> >>>
>> >>>> Web site shows only 1 male child in 1820 10-12 and rest were
>> >>>> female, and
>> >>>> the 1840 list's 1 male 10-15, and the rest were female. Do you
>> >>>> suppose
>> >>>
>> >>> that
>> >>>
>> >>>> the who ever wrote the deed in the deed book, made a mistake. I
>> >>>> seen the
>> >>>> same deed in the book, you are talking about and that is the reason
>> >>>> I lost
>> >>>> this Caleb for awhile, but I belive this one went to Obion Co.There
> is
>> >>>
>> >>> Caleb
>> >>>
>> >>>> Stafford. on the 1850 census.
>> >>>> A JoAnn Chandler emailed me a copy of Stephen Stafford's bible
>> >>>> record, and
>> >>>> Caleb was the son of Samuel and Mary Carmen, it listed him being
>> >>>> born in
>> >>>> 1803 and dying in Obion Co. Tn. in 1859. Is this the Caleb you are
>> >>>> talking
>> >>>> about? In this census he is married to a Mary from Ky. Haven't found
> a
>> >>>> marriage date yet. Are we talking about about the same Caleb?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Peggy Maupin
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: <>
>> >>>> To: <>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:30 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> >>>
>> >>> families
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Peggy,
>> >>>> > Can you tell me who the male Polly Stafford is related to on the
>> >>>> 1820
>> >>>
>> >>> and
>> >>>
>> >>>> > 1830 Smith Co census? I have looked at all the info on Ancestry
> and
>> >>>
>> >>> can't
>> >>>
>> >>>> > find him listed. The 1820 Smith Co census has Polly, Cain, Adam,
>> >>>
>> >>> Stephen
>> >>>
>> >>>> > and Thomas. The deed Book B-M 1800-1835 Smith Co. lists Polly
>> >>>> several
>> >>>> > times. I thought Polly was female until the 1821 reference was
>> >>>> Polly
>> >>>> > Stafford to his son Thomas his freedom to act for himself 18 Oct
>> >>>> 1821
>> >>>
>> >>> Deed
>> >>>
>> >>>> > Book B page 120. Then again in 1822 page 121-122 it said the same
>> >>>
>> >>> thing.
>> >>>
>> >>>> > Deed Book B also lists my gg uncles and gg aunt with Caleb
>> >>>> > Stafford
>> >>>> > William
>> >>>> > H. Haile, Thomas J. Haile, Caleb Stafford and Sarah W. Haile
>> >>>> Stafford,
>> >>>> > this
>> >>>> > was an article of agreement dated March 1, 1828 page 246. More
>> >>>> info > is
>> >>>> > Caleb Stafford to John Stafford his interest in the slaves he is
>> >>>> > to
>> >>>> > receive
>> >>>> > at the death of Polly Stafford 6 July 1831 page 60. Caleb Carman
> to
>> >>>
>> >>> Polly
>> >>>
>> >>>> > Stafford 2 Negro's 20 Aug 1829 page 125, probably the same two as
>> >>>> > above.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I can't find a marriage bond for Caleb and Sarah W. Haile
>> >>>> Stafford. > The
>> >>>> > Haile's(Hale's) came from Mecklenburg, Va in the early 1800's to
>> >>>> Smith
>> >>>
>> >>> Co.
>> >>>
>> >>>> > Shirley H. Greer
>> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> > From: "Peggy Maupin" <>
>> >>>> > To: <>
>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:16 PM
>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> >>>> > families
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> What was the message on Elizabeth, I don't have a death listing
>> >>>> for >> the
>> >>>> >> mother or daughter, The information I had on either of them came
>> >>>> from
>> >>>
>> >>> the
>> >>>
>> >>>> >> Stafford-McMurray Family History Book, written by Earl E. Jones
> and
>> >>>> > Richard
>> >>>> >> Fulcher, It is in the Trousdale County Library.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> >> From: "Nancy Gann" <>
>> >>>> >> To: <>
>> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:25 PM
>> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and
>> >>>> >> Carman
>> >>>> > families
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> > Peggy,
>> >>>> >> > I have Elizabeth died 1876 in Logan Co., Ill. Source????
>> >>>> >> > Nancy
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> >> > From: Peggy Maupin
>> >>>> >> > To:
>> >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:24 PM
>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and
>> >>>> Carman
>> >>>> >> > families
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Sorry, I was not reading all of your message right to begin
>> >>>> with,
>> >>>> >> > Elizabeth
>> >>>> >> > , daughter of John and Elizabeth married 1st to a McIllwain?,
> a
>> >>>> >> > second
>> >>>> >> > marriage was to a David Gentry Thompson. Smith Co. marriages
>> >>>> does
>> >>>
>> >>> not
>> >>>
>> >>>> >> > show
>> >>>> >> > either marriage. But , try the Dickson Co. site for Tennessee.
> I
>> >>>
>> >>> found
>> >>>
>> >>>> >> > that
>> >>>> >> > John owned land in that county, probably between Smith Co. and
>> >>>
>> >>> Graves
>> >>>
>> >>>> > Co.
>> >>>> >> > Ky.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Peggy Sue
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> >> > From: "The Stone Family" <>
>> >>>> >> > To: <>
>> >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:24 PM
>> >>>> >> > Subject: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> >>>> >> > families
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > > Peggy Sue - I noticed that you are looking for a Stafford
>> >>>> >> > family.
>> >>>> >> > My
>> >>>> >> > > husband's distant grandfather was Redmond Quinn (Quine or
>> >>>> Guin)
>> >>>
>> >>> who
>> >>>
>> >>>> > was
>> >>>> >> > > born circa 1797 in Virginia - probably right next to North
>> >>>
>> >>> Carolina.
>> >>>
>> >>>> > We
>> >>>> >> > do
>> >>>> >> > > not know how - or if - he fits in to the William and Sarah
>> >>>> Quine
>> >>>> > family
>> >>>> >> > > who lived in Caswell County, North Carolina - but things
>> >>>> sure >> > seem
>> >>>> >> > to
>> >>>> >> > > indicate that he does fit somehow. We actually believe that
>> >>>
>> >>> Redmond
>> >>>
>> >>>> > is
>> >>>> >> > > the grandson of William and Sarah Quine, but we are not sure
>> >>>> >> > ow. -Maybe
>> >>>> >> > > by their son Mordecai. Not much is known of him except
>> >>>> that he
>> >>>
>> >>> was
>> >>>
>> >>>> > the
>> >>>> >> > > son of William and Sarah and that he was in Smith County,
>> >>>> TN in
>> >>>> >> > 1806.
>> >>>> >> > He
>> >>>> >> > > may have used a different name, but we have not been able to
>> >>>
>> >>> locate
>> >>>
>> >>>> > him
>> >>>> >> > > there. We have located Redmond in Smith County from 1837
>> >>>> (on an
>> >>>> > early
>> >>>> >> > tax
>> >>>> >> > > list) and on the 1840 census. He lived in Sumner County at
>> >>>> the
>> >>>
>> >>> time
>> >>>
>> >>>> > of
>> >>>> >> > > the 1850 census and in 1860 and 1870 he was in Trousdale
>> >>>> County.
>> >>>> >> > > What I have found through internet sources (not verified)
>> >>>> is >> > that
>> >>>> >> > William
>> >>>> >> > > and Sarah Quine had a daughter named Elizabeth (Betsy) who
>> >>>> >> > married
>> >>>> > John
>> >>>> >> > > Stafford in 1791. The Staffords had a daughter Elizabeth >>
>> >>>> > Stafford
>> >>>> > born
>> >>>> >> > > July 7, 1800 (1803?) in Smith County, TN and a son John
>> >>>> born >> > circa
>> >>>> > 1790
>> >>>> >> > in
>> >>>> >> > > Virginia. Mordecai and Betsy Quine had siblings Henry,
>> >>>> Jacob,
>> >>>> >> > William -
>> >>>> >> > > and Sarah (Sally) who married William Carman in 1792 in
>> >>>> Caswell
>> >>>> > County,
>> >>>> >> > NC
>> >>>> >> > > and moved to Smith County TN and raised their family there.
>> >>>> >> > >
>> >>>> >> > > If there is any link to your Stafford family please let me
>> >>>> know.
>> >>>
>> >>> I
>> >>>
>> >>>> >> > keep
>> >>>> >> > > hoping that Betsy or Sally Quine may help solve the puzzle
>> >>>> >> > of
>> >>>> >> > Redmond
>> >>>> >> > >
>> >>>> >> > > Thanks,
>> >>>> >> > > Leanne.
>> >>>> >> > >
>> >>>> >> > >
>> >>>> >> > >
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>> >
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