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From: "Christy Fillerup" <>
Subject: Re: [TGF] ProGen Study Group
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:53:57 -0600
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Elissa is correct, while the discussion logs are saved and sent to Lee
Anders she uses them only to ensure that discussion is progressing, and to
look for ways to improve the program. I'm not sure that she even keeps them
after they are read. The logs are not available to the public. Since we're
using the group to stumble and grope our way through setting up our
genealogy businesses we need to create an atmosphere of trust and
confidentiality. Particularly since we often discuss sensitive topics like
setting rates, personal ethics, and our business plans. The blog operates
on the same principle and is not public.
The article discussion group works just as Elissa outlined below. We set
out six months of articles at a time. We read one article each month and
then take turns leading a chat discussion. We read the article three times
to ensure we have it down, and then discuss everything from methodology to
sources to citations. That group is always open and the more the merrier.
We currently have three discussion groups, but if there is enough interest
we could always add a fourth. The first meets the third Monday of every
month at 8:00 PM Eastern Time, the second meets the third Tuesday of every
month at 10:00 AM Eastern, and the third meets the third Thursday of every
month at 8:00 PM Mountain time.
We are currently operating out of a private blog, but I think we're going to
move to a Google group, much like the ProGen group works. That way we all
get reminders sent to our inbox. If you are interested in joining please
send me an email with your name and preferred time slot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG" <>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TGF] ProGen Study Group
> If logs of the discussions are kept, they are privately held. Open
> discussion and camaraderie among the participants happens with the
> understanding that what is said "in Vegas, stays in Vegas." I would think
> that anyone who did record an IM chat discussion would have to ask
> permission of all the participants before sending it to others. This would
> only be professional and ethical.
> There is a small group who blogs their answers to the discussion
> I am not sure if it is publicly available. Christy?
> Another questions would be the Article Discussion Group which came out of
> this list. Does it accept new members and how does it operate? I am not
> involved in that one but believe it is a virtual model of what has been
> happening monthly at the APG Great Lakes Chapter meetings where an NGS
> Quarterly (or other) article is read by the group at least 3 times prior
> meeting. Then based on that in-depth reading and analysis they discuss
> whether the author proved their point. It is great exercise for creating
> analyzing proof summaries and narrative genealogies, both elements of the
> certification packet.
> -- Elissa
> Elissa Scalise Powell, CG
> CG and Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for
> Certification of Genealogists used under license after periodic
> by the Board.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LeRoy Atkins
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:19 AM
>> Christy and Elissa,
>> Thank you each. If others express interest I would like to participate.
>> the mean time I would like a list of questions which have been discussed.
>> If the discussion logs are accessible, please let me know where to access
>> them .
>> Thank you,
>> LeRoy Atkins
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Christy Fillerup" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TGF] ProGen Study Group
>> > Thanks Elissa. I apologize, I am just now getting caught up on email.
>> > The ProGen group was the brain child of Mad Scientist Lee Anders, with
>> > Angela McGhie and myself acting as trusty Igor-like sidekicks. The
>> > was designed to study the manual "Professional Genealogy," edited by
>> > Elizabeth Shown Mills. We divided the chapters so that most months we
>> > cover two complimentary chapters, a few months we will cover only one,
>> > for one or two chapters we will extend the study over two months. We
>> > divided into discussion groups, and from there into peer groups. Each
>> > member
>> > has at least two other peers that help review assignments (reports,
>> > contracts, etc.) and provide feedback. We also meet once a month via
>> > in
>> > discussion groups to discuss what we've read and ask questions of our
>> > wonderful mentor, Elissa.
>> > The group is set up to try and maintain set peer groups throughout the
>> > months, so additions aren't allowed. If there is enough interest,
>> > however,
>> > and a brave sole who will take charge I would be happy to help them set
>> > their own study group from our model.
>> > Cheers,
>> > Christy Fillerup
>> > Millenealogy Family History Research
>> > Salt Lake City, Utah
>> > www.millenealogy.com
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG" <>
>> > To: <>
>> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:41 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ProGen Study Group
>> >> Patti, LeRoy, et al,
>> >> The ProGen Study group was put together in late winter this year to
>> >> the book "Professional Genealogy" with monthly chapter readings,
>> >> assignments, and discussions. The organizers have done a very good job
>> >> putting together peer review groups and discussion groupings of the
>> >> groups. In the beginning I believe it was a set up to not allow much
>> >> movement in or out of the group until the completion of the book which
>> >> they
>> >> projected taking 18 months. I will let some of the group leaders to
>> >> further details.
>> >> I have quite enjoyed playing advisor and resource to the 5 ProGen
>> >> Study
>> >> discussion groups each month. Although each group has the same pre-set
>> >> questions based on that month's chapter reading and assignments, the
>> >> discussion takes off in different directions, as you would expect,
>> >> with
>> >> different life experiences.
>> >> There are other ways to learn the ins and outs of what it takes to be
>> >> a
>> >> professional genealogist:
>> >> You could read ProGen yourself.
>> >> You can use this list as a sounding board.
>> >> You *should* read the archives which go back to December since many
>> >> pearls
>> >> of wisdom were shared earlier.
>> >> You can join the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG) for
>> >> Quarterly and discount on books (like ProGen).
>> >> You can attend the APG Professional Management Conference held each
>> >> on
>> >> the Wednesday of the FGS conference. This year it is in Philadelphia
>> >> on
>> >> September 3, next year it is in Little Rock, Arkansas (see
>> >> You can join the APG-L list (see the archives link at www.APGen.org
>> >> publications)
>> >> The Institute for Genealogy and Historical Research (IGHR) held at
>> >> Samford
>> >> University each June has a one-week long Professional Genealogy course
>> >> the odd-numbered years. (Plan now for next June!)
>> >> And the newest program will be a Certificate in Genealogical Research
>> >> be
>> >> taught at Boston University beginning January. This is a 14-week
>> >> course
>> >> held
>> >> on Saturdays from Jan. 17 through April 25. See
>> >> http://professional.bu.edu/cpe/Genealogy.asp
>> >> If you are earnest about learning the business of genealogy and
>> >> transitioning into becoming a professional, then this list supports
>> >> goal. Thanks for joining us.
>> >> -- Elissa in Pittsburgh, PA
>> >> Elissa Scalise Powell, CG
>> >> www.PowellGenealogy.com
>> >> CG and Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for
>> >> Certification of Genealogists used under license after periodic
>> >> evaluations
>> >> by the Board.
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: LeRoy Atkins
>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:29 PM
>> >>> If this group is currently going I also would like to participate in
>> >> discussion.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Patti Hobbs" <>
>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:42 PM
>> >>> >I haven't been on this list for very long (2 months), but I was told
>> >>> > that I'd probably see the information about the ProGen group come
>> >>> > up
>> >>> > on the list. All I've seen so far are references about it and not
>> >>> > information about becoming involved with it. What is it? Is it
>> >>> > something I'd be interested in???:-)
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