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From: Jeanette Daniels <>
Subject: Re: [TGF] Certification vs. education (Was: Usability [wasGenealogy as a discipline])
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:02:18 -0800 (PST)
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Elizabeth,

I will telephone ICE (NOCA) tomorrow morning to find out about the certification fees.  They couldn't
be too high because they certify the Association of Pet Dog Trainers and a few other groups that I
don't think would have huge salaries.

Jeanette



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Subject: Re: [TGF] Certification vs. education (Was: Usability [was Genealogy as a discipline])

Jeanette wrote:
>This is sad.  That means that your program does not meet all requirements
for certification itself.  It would be valuable for BCG to meet
certification requirements as a certifying program itself. 


Jeanette, I don't see how you traveled through my Points A, B, and C to get
to your Point Y. 

Are you saying it is sad that BCG does not set its application fees high
enough to afford ICE fees?  If BCG (or ICAPGen, about which you also
inquired) makes a specific effort to meet all other requirements set by a
board that certifies certifying boards, it is nonetheless 'sadly' deficient
because it chooses not to raise fees to a point that professionals in our
field could not afford certification? 

It is also an interesting exercise to compare the certification fees paid by
applicants in other fields to those that prevail in genealogy. 

Elizabeth



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Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 1:37:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TGF] Certification vs. education (Was: Usability [was
Genealogy as a discipline])

>I have a question since the discussion is on education, certification,
etc. 
I understand that the NGS course used to be properly accredited in the
United States through an accrediting body, but that now it is not. 
Does anyone know why?  Why was the accreditation allowed to lapse?


One explanation I've been given is that it was a matter of costs--a casualty
of the financial difficulty that NGS went through earlier in this decade.

>Also, why has BCG not been accredited as a certifying body in the US?  The
same goes for the ICAPGEN not being accredited as a certifying body
in the United States as well.  Both have been around long enough that by now
it seems that both would have gone through this.

BCG has tracked NOCA requirements for certification bodies since the mid-90s
and has tried to meet those requirements in its ownstructure, daily
practice, and long-term goals. Several better-known changes to the BCG
program have stemmed from this.

But again the overarching issue the high cost--a cost that would have to be
met not just by the Board but by every individual applicant. The Board has
always tried to operate on the proverbial shoestrong, to make certification
affordable. Applicant fees would have to be significantly raised to enable
the Board to pay NOCA's assessment.

Elizabeth

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Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG
Trustee and past president,



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