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From: "Morris Simon" <>
Subject: Re: [TGF] Numbering a stillborn child?
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:58:36 -0500
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My take on this question is based on whether or not the stillborn infant had
a family identity. I have encountered families who referred to miscarriages
as "stillborn" even though there were no burials or other social treatment
of the fetus as a member of the family. In such cases, I would not include
them in the group sheet, but might make a note of the miscarriages in the
interest of preserving medical data. I have also dealt with cases of burials
of miscarried fetuses whose families remembered them with names and even
markers. I would definitely record these as individual family members. The
distinction in my mind is a matter of social identity of the unborn or
stillborn child as a family member.

Morris

----- Original Message -----
From: "treviawbeverly" <>
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Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TGF] Numbering a stillborn child?


> No better answer; I do the same because I want them to show on the family
> group sheet. We have
> several and I want the rest of the family know of them.
>
> Slight off subject but it may help someone else.
> I always say that there is no illegitimate children; only
> irresponsible/wayward parents. We have one
> in our family and you bet I've listed him. He knows, but some of the
> family
> does not acknowledge -
> too bad! He has a right to be acknowledged in his birth family.
>
> Trevia Wooster Beverly
> Houston, Texas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>; <>
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [TGF] Numbering a stillborn child?
>
>
>>
>> Judy,
>> I list them. Although I had never really given it any thought. I don't
>> have
>> any reference I can give you that says you should or should not list
>> them.
>> What about a child that lives just a few hours or even minutes? They may
>> or may not even have a given name. I know if I enter an entry into
>> Brothers
>> Keeper that the program automatically assigns a number to the entry.
>> Anyone
>> with a better answer?
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/5/2011 2:15:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> writes:
>>
>> I've just run across an issue I hadn't encountered before. If there
>> is a documented record of a stillborn child (in this case a birth
>> certificate), is that child included in a descendant list as, say,
>> ninth born of 11 children, in the usual format:
>>
>> ix. [Unnamed Male] Lastname was stillborn 3 Month 19xx at Whatever
>> County, State.
>>
>> Or is the sole reference to the child in whatever narrative there
>> might be for the parents?
>>
>> -- Judy
>>
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