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From: Patricia Hobbs <>
Subject: Re: [TGF] Question about Source Citations and My Rootsmagic Software
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 17:13:24 -0600
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Even though I recognize that Kathy is more expert than I, I have researched
at the NC Archives, and you don't need to know the CR number to get the
records. The estate files and wills are in boxes alphabetically, and you
just need to ask for the county, "wills" or "estates," and the surname of
interest. At least that's my recollection. It's been more than a year,
though, so perhaps I'm not remembering correctly. I was writing a client
report from my research at the archives, and I used Elizabeth's format
withOUT the CR number. Even though I normally would have thought it would
be something a person might include in a citation, I knew I hadn't needed
it to ask for the records.


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:56 PM, <> wrote:

> >Michael, I thought the use of colons was odd too, but again, I was using
> Elizabeth Shown Mills' example on page 529 of Evidence Explained, 2nd
> edition.
> Hmhh. Page 529 uses a colon, but in a different place. On the other hand,
> in the grand scheme of things, EE would consider that a quite trifling
> point. No confusion results from the changed placement, and the bigger
> issue is whether the record is adequately identified.
> >Also, could you and Kathy clarify in your citations about the box number.
> Are you writing "box no. C.R. 081.801.8" or are you writing "box no. 8,
> C.R. 081.801.8?" The "box no." is 8. The call no. is C.R. 081.801.8. When
> you order the record, you do not know the box no. You have to know the
> part of it though (the 081 corresponds to the county code and
> the 801 is the code for ordering a will; and you leave the last 3 digits
> blank since you don't know what box no. it will be). However, the box
> probably does have the entire call no. on its label. Does this matter?
> I could use clarification on this point also. When EE was drafted, I asked
> the NC State Archives about citing call numbers and/or box number in the
> example on p. 529 and was told not to use it because call numbers and box
> numbers might change.
> Kathy, of course, is an NC authority. That makes me wonder whether this is
> one of those points on which we get one answer if we ask one archive
> employee and a different answer if we ask another.
> Otherwise, Ginger is well-making the point that Harold raised earlier in a
> different thread: "The real point [is] for us to *think* about the records
> and about what needs to be in the citation and what doesn't. Trying to
> reconcile [variances] with your own sense of the necessities is going to
> generate lots of thoughts, and if you keep it up, regardless of how any
> particular citation comes out, you will
> learn a whole lot more about the records you're using than those of us who
> yield to the temptation to just copy someone else's citation format."
> Elizabeth
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG
> The Evidence Series
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