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From: "Thomas Macentee" <>
Subject: Re: [TGF] Obituaries and Newspapers
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:16:19 -0500
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Wow Michael. You are being rude and disingenuous. I always love it when
people start off with a compliment only to kick them in the ass at the end.
That is what you've done to Kerry. Another case of "why we can't have nice
things . . ."

First, APG is a professional organization and yes the majority may be
researchers for clients but not everyone. Me for instance. I don't take
research clients. So having a discount for GenealogyBank via APG is
something I appreciate.

Second, the " APG is a professional organization, not a discount warehouse
for hobby tools." comment is uncalled for and unprofessional. It only serves
to highlight the elitist streak that many at APG exhibit and why those of us
who don't "worship at the altar" of professional genealogy not only feel
left out, but not spoken for. I continue to wonder if APG is the right
organization for someone like me . . . .

Third, look at it realistically - would GenealogyBank really offer a
discount if APG insisted on a disclaimer about professional usage of their
product? I don't think Kerry misled anyone or GenealogyBank misled her. I'm
willing to treat it as an oversight. Besides, anyone plunking down their
money should be reading the Terms of Service for any site they use, right?

If I were Kerry I wouldn't bother getting another discount ever for APG. And
if I were a genealogy vendor - which I am - I wouldn't offer an ungrateful
organization a discount, let alone my advertising revenue.

Like Kerry said, no good deed goes undone and people deserve what they get.

Thomas MacEntee
Founder, High-Definition Genealogy
+1 (773) 661-3080

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of
Michael Hait
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:47 PM
To: Kerry Scott;
Subject: Re: [TGF] Obituaries and Newspapers

Obviously we all appreciate the work you do as Member Benefits Coordinator
for APG.

However, were you aware that professional genealogists could not use
GenealogyBank for professional use at the time that you approached them? Did
they make it clear to you when you asked for a discounted rate for APG
members that this was their policy?

Personally, I question the appropriateness of offering a discount to this
site as a "benefit" of membership, when APG members---the vast majority of
whom conduct research for clients---are explicitly barred from using the
site for business purposes. APG is a professional organization, not a
discount warehouse for hobby tools.

Michael Hait, CG(sm)
"Planting the Seeds" Blog:

CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for
Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants
after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in
the US Patent & Trademark Office.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Scott
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:41 PM
Cc: List
Subject: Re: [TGF] Obituaries and Newspapers

I'm the volunteer Member Benefits Coordinator for APG.
agreed to provide a 20% discount to APG members because I asked them to. I
badgered them for months to get that discount. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't
believe that meets any definition of entrapment. Additionally, it sounds
like GenealogyBank is being pretty clear about the fact that this part of
their TOS is required by their agreements with the people who provide the
content. The people who have the records have considerable power to decide
what's done with them, and they can decide not to make them available to any
company who doesn't want to play by their rules.

Incidentally, I've approached a number of companies about providing
discounts to APG members. One of the bits of feedback I've received is the
idea that this group is rather critical of the companies who serve them, and
that providing a discount might not be the best use of their funds for that
reason. There's a sense that no good deed goes unpunished. If anyone feels
entrapped by the 20% discount this company offers...well, I'm very, very
sorry to hear that.

Kerry Scott <>;

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