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From: Muriel ZYLBERSTEIN <>
Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] HILLESHEIM, Eifel
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:04:48 +0100


Hello all who gave me answer about
Hillesheim and Pfalz.

As I am french, I shall read all you send to me and try to find the real word in
french
to understand. anyway many thanks for all your explainations and the time
you take to inform me.

excuse my bad english

Muriel Schlax


Steichen a *crit :

> Since Pauline Spring chose to publicly object to my statement concerning
> the word Pfalz (Joe Miller did so privately), I feel the need to gently
> defend my answer on this public forum.
>
> First I will note that just because Palast in German does mean palace in
> English, that does not mean that some other German word cannot translate
> to palace... in fact having more than one word in one language translate
> to the same word in English is not unusual.
>
> Second, meanings of words depend on their historical context. While I
> did not make it clear in my post that I gave both a old historical
> translation and a more recent (though still historical) translation of
> Pfalz, I did. Genealogy is seldom interested in current day things, so
> a truly historical interpretation may be of interest.
>
> Thirdly, I did not arrive at my translation haphazardly. My main source
> of knowledge about German words is "Der Neue Muret-Sanders
> Langenscheidts Enzyklopädisches Wörterbuch der Englischen und Deutschen
> Sprache" (Langenscheidt New Muret-Sanders Encyclopedic Dictionary of the
> English and German Languages), a 2 volume, 2000 page tome edited by Dr.
> Otto Springer (Professor of Germanic Languages and Literatures of the
> University of Pennsylvania), based on the original work by Professor Dr.
> E. Muret and Professor Dr. D. Sanders in 1901, and published and printed
> in Germany by Langenscheidt KG of Berlin and München in 1974. I have
> found this to be a valuable and accurate source. The definition of the
> word Pfalz reads, and I quote:
>
> Pfalz [pfalts] f. <-; -en> hist. 1. (Schloß) (imperial) palace. - 2.
> (Lehensland) palatinate, county palatinate: Kurfürst von der Pfalz:
> Elector Palatinate.
>
> Rather plainly, this gives a first definition as a type of castle: an
> imperial palace; and a second definition as a feudal land: the
> palatinate.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pauline Spring" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] HILLESHEIM, Eifel
>
> > The word "Pfalz" does not mean "palace" in English. "Palast" means
> palace.
> > "Pfalz" simply means "Palatinate" a geographical area in Germany.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Steichen" <>
> > >Reply-To: "Steichen" <>
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] HILLESHEIM, Eifel
> > >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:57:50 -0500
> > >
> > >Muriel -
> > >
> > >Pfalz is "palace" in English and "palais" in French (and no, I do not
> > >speak French... I only know a very few words). Generally this
> reference
> > >would imply an "imperial" palace. It also translates to "Palatinate"
> in
> > >English and "le Palatinat" in French, which is the more common
> > >genealogical usage, as it refers to an area in present-day Germany.
> > >
> > >Tom
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Muriel ZYLBERSTEIN" <>
> > >To: "Steichen" <>
> > >Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:08 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] HILLESHEIM, Eifel
> > >
> > >
> > > > Many thanks for your answer ; it was so useful for me !
> > > >
> > > > I was so afraid when I heard about 2 Hillesheim.
> > > >
> > > > could you tell me in english what means PFALZ
> > > > (I am french, I don't understand german or deutsch, and my english
> is
> > >not wery good !)
> > > > thanks, Muriel
> > > > muriel SCHLAX
> > > > ;fr
> > > >
> > > > Steichen a *crit :
> > > >
> > > > > Muriel -
> > > > >
> > > > > Per (output shown below), there are two and
> the
> > >one you want is in Kreis Daun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prefix: Hillesheim
> > > > >
> > > > > Hillesheim (Eifel)
> > > > > GKZ : 07 2 33 029
> > > > > County : | | +---- Daun {DAU}
> > > > > RegBez : | +------- Trier
> > > > > Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz
> > > > > ZIP : 54576
> > > > > Popul : 2465
> > > > > Locat : 50d18m N 6d40m E
> > > > > Maps : TK25 5706 Hillesheim
> > > > > TK50 L5706 Adenau
> > > > > Euro Ge47
> > > > >
> > > > > Hillesheim (Rheinhess)
> > > > > GKZ : 07 3 39 028
> > > > > County : | | +---- Mainz-Bingen (Mainz) {MZ}
> > > > > RegBez : | +------- Rheinhessen-Pfalz
> > > > > Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz
> > > > > ZIP : 67586
> > > > > Popul : 570
> > > > > Locat : (Mainz) 50d00m N 8d16m E
> > > > > Maps : TK25 6015 Mainz
> > > > > TK50 L6114 Mainz
> > > > > Euro Ib49
> > > > >
> > > > > The one in Kreis Daun is about 50 km north of Trier. Daun and
> > >Gerolstein are south of it and Blankenheim is to its north.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Muriel ZYLBERSTEIN" <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:29 AM
> > > > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] HILLESHEIM, Eifel
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can anybody tell me more information :
> > > > > > I look for ancestors they came from Hillseheim, Rheinland
> Germany
> > > > > > and I find 2 Hillesheim inRheinland Platz :
> > > > > > which one is in Eifel ?
> > > > > > And how can be sure, which Hillesheim, I search ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks, Muriel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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