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From: Ted Finch <>
Subject: Re: [TSL] ships- Weser, Cimbria, Gellert, Neckar
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:54:17 +0100


Hello Jean,

There were two "Wesers" during this period. The first one is described under
her previous name of "Peter Goddefroy" at Lou's ship site at -

http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm
or
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/3649/ships.html

The second "Weser" was a 2,266 gross ton ship, built by Palmer Bros & Co,
Jarrow-on-Tyne for North German Lloyd in 1858. Her details were - length
307ft x beam 40.8ft, clipper stem, two funnels, three masts (rigged for
sail), iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
accommodation for 70-1st, 100-2nd and 450-3rd class passengers.
Launched on 21/10/1858, she sailed from Bremen on her maiden voyage to New
York on 4/12/1858, but had to put back to Cork for repairs after being
damaged by heavy seas. She sailed from Cork on 6th March 1859 and arrived in
New York on 18th March. She started her third and last Bremen - Southampton
- New York voyage on 1st July 1859, and became a French Naval Transport
later the same year. On 16/1/1861 she was wrecked 60 miles from Poulo
Condor, Cochin China. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.2,p.544]

The "Cimbria" was built by Caird & Co, Greenock for the Hamburg America Line
in 1867. She was a 3,037 gross ton ship, length 339.9ft x beam 40ft, one
funnel, two masts (rigged for sail), iron construction, single screw and a
speed of 12 knots. There was accommodation for 58-1st, 120-2nd and 500-3rd
class passengers.
Launched on 21/1/1867, she left Hamburg on her maiden voyage to Southampton
and New York on 13/4/1867. On 17/1/1883 she sailed from Hamburg for New York
but on 19th Jan. was in collision in dense fog near Borkum Island, Germany
with the British vessel "Sultan" of the Hull & Hamburg Line. The Cimbria's
hull had a large gash abreast of the foremast and the Sultan also had a
large hole foreward and drifted off into the fog. The Cimbria rapidly sank
with the loss of 389 lives and although seven lifeboats got away, only 133
people were saved. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.389]
[Merchant Fleets in Profile by Duncan Haws, vol.4, Hamburg America Line]

The first NECKAR was a 3,120 gross ton ship, length 350ft x beam 40ft, one
funnel, two masts, iron hull, single screw and a speed of 13 knots, There
was accommodation for 144-1st, 68-2nd and 502-3rd class passengers.
Built by Caird & Co, Greenock, she was launched for North German Lloyd,
Bremen on 10th Nov.1873. Her maiden voyage started on 18th Apr.1874 when
she left Bremen for Southampton and New York, and she started her last
voyage on this service on 3rd Jan.1886. She was then rebuilt at Bremerhaven
with accommodation for 50-1st, 21-2nd and 574-3rd class passengers. On 28th
Jul.1886 she commenced her first Bremen - Suez - Far East voyage and on
14th Feb.1894 started her first Naples - New York sailing. Her ninth and
last Naples - New York voyage started on 23rd Mar.1895 and she began the
first of two Bremen - New York direct sailings on 15th Jun.1895. In 1896
she was scrapped in Italy. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor,
vol.2,p.550]

NECKAR (2)
The "Neckar" was built by J.C.Tecklenborg, Geestemunde in 1900 for
Norddeutscher Lloyd [North German Lloyd]. This was a 9,835 gross ton ship,
length 499.3ft x beam 58.1ft, one funnel, four masts, twin screw and a speed
of 14 knots. Accommodation was provided for 148-1st, 116-2nd and 2,500-3rd
class passengers.
Launched on 8/12/1900, she sailed from Bremen on her maiden voyage to New
York on 4/5/1901. On 8/10/1901 she commenced her first voyage from Bremen
via Suez to Australia, but after one round voyage, she transferred on
12/5/1902 to the Naples - New York service. On 19/6/1902 she started her
first Bremen - Baltimore sailing and susequently ran between Bremen - New
York &/or Baltimore, or Mediterranean - New York. On 4/11/1905 she sailed
from New York to the Mediterranean with 1st, 2nd and 3rd class passengers,
and subsequently carried 369-2nd, 217-3rd and 2,865-4th class.
On 16/5/1912 she commenced her first Bremen - Philadelphia - Baltimore
voyage, and her last Bremen - Baltimore run commenced on 2/7/1914 (arr
14/7/1914) She then took refuge in Baltimore until she was seized by the US
authorities in April 1917.
She was renamed "Antigone" and used by the US government until 20/3/1921
when she sailed from New York on a single round voyage to Bremen and Danzig,
under charter to US Mail SS Co. carrying 200-cabin class and 550-3rd class
passengers.
On 5/5/1921 she was renamed "Potomac" and started a similar voyage, and on
10/8/1921 started her third and last one way voyage on this service. She
sailed from Bremen for New York on 3/9/1921 for United States Lines and on
1/3/1922 commenced her fifth and final voyage on this route. In 1928 she was
scrapped in Holland. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.2,p.564]

GELLERT
3,533 gross tons, length 375.4ft x beam 40ft, one funnel, two masts, iron
hull, single screw, speed 13 knots. Accommodation for 90-1st, 100-2nd and
800-3rd class passengers.
Built by A.Stephen & Sons, Glasgow and launched for the Adler Line on 25th
Nov.1874. She did not run for this company, but was purchased by the
Hamburg America Line in 1875 and started her maiden voyage on 26th May 1875
when she left Hamburg for Havre and New York. Rebuilt with two funnels in
1881, she caught fire in mid-Atlantic on 22nd Oct.1893, but the fire was
subdued. Her first Naples - New York voyage started in Nov.1893 and her
last Hamburg - New York sailing started 11th Mar.1894. Her fourth and last
Naples - New York voyage commenced 18th Aug.1894 and she was then sold to
other German owners. Scrapped in 1897. [North Atlantic Seaway by
N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1]

For photos, try writing to -
Steamship Historical Society of America,
Langsdale Library, University of Baltimore, 1420 Maryland Avenue, Baltimore
MD, 21201.
http://www.ubalt.edu/archives/ship/ship.htm

regards
Ted.


At 10:40 02/04/00, wrote:
>Does anyone have any information or pictures of these ships. I have been
>looking for my g-grandfathers brother, Charles and his sister Louise
Westphal
>and there names appear on the ships regristry. There is also a Marie
Westphal
>on one of them. Any info on these people would be a help also.
>
> Thank You,
> Jean
>
>

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