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From: "Jorge Bertoni" <>
Subject: RE: [TSL] ships to Argentina/Paraguay
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:08:06 -0300
References: <MABBIOINAFGNKPNJNDGIKECMCBAA.viera@europa.com>


Kimberly,

What you mention about the possibility to get the passengers lists going to
Argentina thru CEMLA, is correct, but you have to pay u$s 10 for each person
you want to get information and if they found it they will send you a
certificate.

As this is an Institution sponsored by the Agnelli Foundation from Italy,
you can obtain the same information for free from the following website:

http://italians-world.org/Italy/BancaDatiGb.htm

You will have to subscribe "free" (Do this with Internet Explorer for the
first time, after subscribing you will also have the possibility to use
Netscape- the site is quite difficult to navigate sometimes). You will also
have passenger list for Brasil and USA. You can choose from English, Italian
or Spanish.

The following is an example of the data you can get from the website & the
CEMLA certificate:

Cognome: BERTONE
Nome: ACHILLE
Parentela: X
Età: 24
Sesso: M
Stato civile: Celibe/Nubile
Professione: AGRICULTOR
Religione: Cattolico
Porto d'imbarco: GENOVA
Nave: NORD AMERICA
Data d'arrivo: 10-01-1899
Istruzione: Sa
Classe: Terza
Legenda
età: 800=sconosciuta; 900=bimbo nato
a bordo; 901-911=bimbo di età
compresa tra 1 e 11 mesi.
istruzione: sa=sa leggere e scrivere; non
sa=non sa leggere e scrivere
Altri campi: U, X, D=dato sconosciuto

Hope this will help

Jorge

----- Mensaje original -----
De: Viera <>
Para: <>
Enviado: Martes, 27 de Marzo de 2001 06:27 p.m.
Asunto: [TSL] ships to Argentina/Paraguay


> The following was posted on the ARGENTINA-CORDOBA list regarding ship
> arrival searches:
> ////
> CEMLA has a database with arrivals to Argentina from 1882 and 1926.
> Address: Independencia 20 () Buenos Aires
> Phone: 54-11-4342-6749 54-11-4334-7717
> Fax: 54-11-4331-0832
> ////
> Besides that, I have never seen on the lists any how-to information on
> passenger lists to Argentina. I was personally told by some Argentineans
> that they didn't think passenger lists were available due to the military
er
> uh difficulties of the past and probable documentation destruction. So if
> there is any good info available, would love to see replies made to the
> list.
> Regarding Paraguay:
> Paraguayans tell me that there was a huge fire maybe in about 1910 in
> Asuncion, Paraguay, that destroyed most of the city and many records in
the
> port. Then when all was cleaned up, remaining files and records were
thrown
> in heaps into the building in which they were later kept. And that even in
> recent times, the logs that are used to record ship arrivals at the port
are
> also used as available scrap paper and pages frequently ripped out when a
> piece of paper needed. That is just hearsay to me since I didn't see it
> happen, but more than one has said this to me and I thought it might help
> with the questions made regarding arrivals in South America.
> Sincerely,
> Kimberly
>
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