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From: "Joan Strachan" <>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:58:33 -0400
In-Reply-To: <>

I'll second that emotion! I've been overwhelmed by Ted's bounty to this

I'm subscribed hoping that someone has some info about ships coming to
Canada in 1910 (surname STUDD) or 1818 or thereabouts EDGAR males coming
from County Down, Ireland. So I lurk and read and try to learn a lot and
Ted always gives me lots & lots to learn. I'm usually awestruck!


-----Original Message-----
From: Les Elmer [mailto:]
Sent: April 29, 2001 5:01 PM

Cheers Ted, you're a real star.

I'm sure I speak for many other Listers when I say I hugely admire the way
you manage to so promptly reply to so many queries from searchers like
myself all over the globe.

It reinforces my belief that the Internet really is the greatest
inter-communication device <sic> ever developed by man, and has the
potential to radically alter our world for the better, if used for good ends
such as this.

Les Elmer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Finch [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:30 PM
To: Les Elmer
Cc: Marj Kohli

Hi Les,

Here is all I have on this ship -

5790* gross tons, length 420ft x beam 54.2ft, one funnel, two masts, single
screw, speed 12 knots. Fitted with refrigerated cargo space for the carriage
of frozen meat and with passenger accommodation.
Built by Workman, Clark & Co, Belfast, she was completed in Oct.1898 for the
Rippingham Grange Steamship Co. On 16th Mar.1899 she was transferred to
Houlder Line Ltd on it's formation. In 1911 she was chartered to British
India Steam Navigation Co for their UK - Queensland service and in 1912 was
transferred to the Federal-Houlder-Shire Line consortium, sold to New
Zealand Shipping Co together with three other Houlder ships, and renamed
LIMERICK. (The NZSCo having aquired the Federal Line). She was then moved to
the Union SS Co of New Zealand, but to prevent Australian repercussions was
managed by NZSCo, London.
These four ships were marketed as 'Irish Counties Line'
In 1913 the management of these ships was transferred to Union SS Co of NZ
and on 28th May 1917 while on passage from Manchester to New Zealand she was
torpedoed and sunk by U.86 while 140 miles south of Bishops Rock with the
loss of eight lives.[North Star to Southern Cross by J.A.Maber] [Merchant
Fleets, vol.38 by Duncan Haws]

* Gross tonnage varied considerably over the lifetime of a ship.
Sorry but I have no info on passenger lists.


----- Original Message -----
From: Les Elmer <>
To: 'Ted Finch' <>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:04 PM

> Hi Ted.
> From your many replies to TSL queries, you seem to be a fount of excellent
> knowledge on all things ship and shipping line related.
> Can you plse advise me if possible of any further details on the above
> vessel, on which my Grandfather Sidney John ELMER emmigrated to Queensland
> from Southampton in (I think) 1911, but cld have been 1909 or 1910.
> I'd love to acquire more details on the ship, but primarily the passenger
> lists for it's twice-yearly voyages to Qld, which are listed on line.
> Vessel Years in Service Tons
> Limerick (formerly Rippingham Grange) 6,827
> 1912 - 1913 built in 1898, 1912 purchased from Houlder Line, 1913
> transferred to Union SS
> Co of New Zealand.
> Vessel Years in Service Tons
> Limerick (first) 1912 - 1917 built in 1898, 1912 purchased from New
> Zealand 6,827
> Shipping Co., 1917 torpedoed and sunk off Ireland .
> Regards,
> Les A. Elmer
> 1 Westbourne Road,
> Murrays Bay 1311,
> Auckland, NEW ZEALAND.
> Phone: (64 9) 479 - 7642
> Mobile: (64 21) 213 - 9232
> E-mail:
> or
> The distinction between past, present and future is only an
> illusion, however persistent. Albert Einstein. 1955

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