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From: "Ted Finch" <>
Subject: Re: [TSL] Scottish Ship Building/Builders/Yards - the "Stanmore"
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:10:39 -0000
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Hi Janelle,

There were at least four generations of George Smiths (shipowners), all
involved in operating the City Line which was founded in 1777 as George
Smith & Sons. It became City Line Ltd in 1890 and was sold to John Ellerman
in 1900 and became known as Ellerman City Line. Their main shipbuilders
appear to have been Barclay, Curle & Co and Chas.Connell & Co, both of

Wm Denny & Bros, Dumbarton (shipbuilders) was originally Tullock & Denny and
was still operating in the 1890s. They didn't build the STANMORE, but may
have refitted her.

1,952 gross tons, length 302.4ft x beam 36.2ft, single screw, speed 9 knots.
Built 1871 by Palmer's Co, Newcastle as the JAMES C. STEVENSON for H. S.
Edwards, South Shields. 1879 Purchased by St. Andrews Shipping Co renamed
STANMORE. 1880 reboilered and owned by Wm. Johnston & Co. 1883 Sold to
Cambrian Steam Shipping Co, Liverpool (T. B. Williams). 1890 Owned by East &
West Shipping Co (W. Lamplough). 1894/95 scrapped.

This is the only STANMORE I can find for this date, but I have no mention of
her being used as an emigrant ship.

Hope this helps

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From: Janelle <>
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:58 AM
Subject: [TSL] Scottish Ship Building/Builders/Yards - the "Stanmore"

> Hi List
> Is this the correct List to enquire about Ship Building firms and Ships in
> I have an ancestor, George MENZIES, who was a Shipwright with Denny's
Shipyard in Dumbarton, Scotland. He and his family visited Australia,
sailing on the "Stanmore" in November 1886 (arrived January 1887).
> Another passenger on the "Stanmore" was John Edwin EDIS, who had worked
for George Smith and Sons, Glasgow, Scotland "of the City Line". John met
Hannah MENZIES onboard and eventually married her in Australia and they
settled here. The rest of the MENZIES family returned to Scotland before
1891 (they are listed on the Greenock Census).
> According to John Edis' Memoirs, the "Stanmore" had just been fitted out
for "assisted immigrants" and a "mate" of his suggested he take a trip to
Australia. I am not sure whether the "mate" (called Old Robbins) was the
Captain of the Stanmore or not, but John Edis had been a Ships Captain, but
had retired due to some injury, and "Old Robbins" gave him "the best bunk"
etc. The MENZIES family paid for their journey.
> Now, can anyone on the List give me some details of the "Stanmore",
please. Would it have been built, or fitted out at either Denny's Shipyard
or George Smith and Sons? Were these companies still operating in the
> John Edwin EDIS married Hannah Turner MENZIES in Australia in July 1887.
No doubt the MENZIES family stayed in Australia for the Wedding. Is there
any way I can find out when the rest of the MENZIES family returned to
Scotland ...... perhaps even on the "Stanmore"?
> Thanks in advance
> Janelle
> Canberra, Australia
> Researching Davie, Halliday, Menzies, Taylor, Barr
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