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From: Marj Kohli <>
Subject: Re: [TSL] New Orleans 1848 problem
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:28:40 -0500
In-Reply-To: <15b.1a1901a2.2b4e14ed@aol.com>


Donna,

I am making a guess here. I looked up Jan 1, 1848 and see it is a Saturday.
Depending on when the ship arrived -- if late in the day, it is possible
that it would not be processed until Monday, Jan 3. In those days most
places they did not work on Sunday. I wonder if this could account for the
date confusion.

Regards..

Marjorie Kohli
Waterloo, ON Canada

At 06:57 PM 08/01/2003 -0500, wrote:
>In a message dated 01/08/2003 2:40:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
>
>
> > Digging a little deeper, I went to Michael Palmer's website
> > http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/ (it is really slow loading this
> > evening)
> > I might have found YOUR ship. A 450 ton George Washington with this
> > voyage. Does this Captain and number of passenger match?
> >
> > 4. Bremen ship GEORGE WASHINGTON, [Mathias Probst, master,] arrived New
> > Orleans 30 December 1847, from Bremen 28 October, with 174 passengers.
> >
> > Sue
> >
>
>Dear Sue,
>
>Yes, this IS my ship. My captain, my dates, my passenger numbers. And I
>have conversed with Michael about the George Washington, because I looked for
>a picture to no avail. The Focke Museum said they had a model, but then did
>not send me a picture of the model.
>
>I went down to my local FHC today to look again at the list, since it has
>been probably a year since I last looked at the original. There are three
>resources for New Orleans ships at my FHC (LA):
>
>1- The original passenger arrival list in New Orleans - the header record
>definitely says January 1st 1848, and the part written on the list says 1
>(then some weird letters/symbol) January 1848. It is in chronological order
>as if it is the first.
>
>2- The quarterly abstracts of New Orleans. They appear to have transcribed
>the lists into a separate book and this too has been microfilmed. This one
>was MOST interesting. The quarterly abstract says Oct - Dec 31 1847 and the
>next is Jan 3 - March 31 1848, and when you look at the first entry, it is
>indeed Jan 3 - it does not start with the 1st or the 2nd. But, when you get
>to Jan 7, it starts over again with Jan 1, and the ONLY entry for Jan 1 is
>the George Washington (it is a ship George Washington, not a steamship, so I
>am certain it was sail only). Then it goes on with Jan 2, Jan 3, etc. - new
>entries not duplicates.
>
>3- Index of Gulf Coast ports. My Dickenhorst was not on it. But, he may be
>misindexed. I could not find him under Dickinhorst, Deckenhorst,
>Deckinhorst, or Dieckenhorst, but surely there are lots more combinations I
>could try. But since the index would surely have been made up from the
>lists, either the actual lists or the quarterly abstract, this is not going
>to tell me anything new.
>
>I am not sure where Michael got his data - some may even be from me! Anyway,
>it must be from the passenger lists themselves, and in both places there is a
>date, the date is clearly 1st January 1848. But, since there is no mention
>of this ship in the Daily Picayune within two weeks of either side of this
>date, I think the year may be wrong. If the month had not been spelled out,
>I might have thought this was wrong, but it was spelled out clearly in both
>places. (I had similar problems with abbreviations when Jan was thought to
>be Jun).
>
>The only thing I can think of is to try the rest of January (especially the
>teens, because of that weird squiggle), and then to try Jan 1 of 1849. If
>anyone has had any similar problems, I would be most grateful for
>suggestions. Maybe the Daily Picayune missed this ship because of the holida
>y? It seems it was the only ship clearing that day, and perhaps the reporter
>was too tired (hung over) from over-celebrations of the night before?
>
>Thanks, Sue, so much for your efforts. And thanks in advance to anyone else
>with suggestions.
>
>Sincerely, Donna Hay, Encino CA
>
>
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