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From: "Catherine Dorsey" <>
Subject: RE: TheShipsList-D Digest V04 #457
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:09:08 -0600
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At 07:53 PM 2004-11-30 -0800, Suzanne Edstrom wrote:
>HI,
>I am searching for my G-grandparents and their family coming to the US.
>This is what information I have so far.
>Thomas Zblewski age 30,Veronica age 35,children Lucy age 12,Johanna age 5 &
>Cecilia age 2.
>They came from Czapiewice, Germany (Poland) now. I found them in Poland
>and Minnesota but can't find where and when they came to US. I don't know
>what port they left from. My family says they came thru New York which
>would have been Castle Gardens. .According to his letter of intention says
>he arrived on or about 15June1889. They settled in Perham,Ottertail
>County,Mn. Never could find his naturalization papers.
>According to the census the year of immigration varies from 1888 to 1890.
>But they had a child born in US on June 29 1890 in Mn. So am thinking they
>didn't come in 1890.
>I have checked thru the passenger lists thru Ancestry.Com and no luck. I
>don't know where to go from here.
>Hoping you can help or direct me where to look?????
>Any information would greatly be appreciated.
>Thank you
>Suzanne

Hi Suzanne,



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>TheShipsList-D DigestVolume 04 : Issue 457
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> #1 Re: TheShipsList-D Digest V04 #456 ["Adrienne L. Marrison"
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> #2 Message from Adrienne L. Marrison ["Ian White"
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> #3 Re: [TSL] Germany (Poland) to Unit [Sue Swiggum
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>I recently went to my local LDSs center and found that my great grandfather
>may have come on either the brigoon Hope or the Alexander, in 1816. How
>do
>I find out more about the ships and my Coulter family? Thanks for any help.
>Addrienne Labrousse Marriison
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>What place was he coming from, and where was he going to ?
>
>Any information about countries, towns, counties and ports would make it
>much easier for them to be traced ! !
>
> Good Luck, Ian
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adrienne L. Marrison" <>
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>
> >I recently went to my local LDSs center and found that my great
>grandfather
> > may have come on either the brigoon Hope or the Alexander, in 1816.
>How
> > do
> > I find out more about the ships and my Coulter family? Thanks for any
> > help.
> > Addrienne Labrousse Marriison
>
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>Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:11:30 -0400
>From: Sue Swiggum <>
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>Subject: Re: [TSL] Germany (Poland) to United States 1889
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>At 07:53 PM 2004-11-30 -0800, Suzanne Edstrom wrote:
> >HI,
> >I am searching for my G-grandparents and their family coming to the US.
> >This is what information I have so far.
> >Thomas Zblewski age 30,Veronica age 35,children Lucy age 12,Johanna age 5
> >& Cecilia age 2.
> >They came from Czapiewice, Germany (Poland) now. I found them in Poland
> >and Minnesota but can't find where and when they came to US. I don't know
> >what port they left from. My family says they came thru New York which
> >would have been Castle Gardens. .According to his letter of intention
> >says he arrived on or about 15June1889. They settled in Perham,Ottertail
> >County,Mn. Never could find his naturalization papers.
> >According to the census the year of immigration varies from 1888 to 1890.
> >But they had a child born in US on June 29 1890 in Mn. So am thinking
>they
> >didn't come in 1890.
> >I have checked thru the passenger lists thru Ancestry.Com and no luck. I
> >don't know where to go from here.
> >Hoping you can help or direct me where to look?????
> >Any information would greatly be appreciated.
> >Thank you
> >Suzanne
>Suzanne, did your ancestors own land in Minnesota? If so, you may find
>information about his naturalization in the cash entry files or homestead
>files from the BLM. You may find some information in the county files
>under the heading BLM. Good luck with your search.
Cathy
>Hi Suzanne,
>
>As you seem to have exhausted the possibilty of a New York arrival
>(although I can see any number of ways a transcriber might mess up a name
>like Zblewski <grin>) have you considered a Quebec, Canada arrival?
>
>It is too soon for CAN-US border records (St. Albans lists) as they didn't
>begin to be recorded until 1895, but the Canadian passenger lists survive
>on microfilm. They are not indexed, but it is not such a huge task,
>especially as you'd be concentrating on mid-June lists, and they are filmed
>in order of ship arrival. I would suggest a two-pronged approach, checking
>lists fo ships which arrived around the 15th of June as well as some
>earlier ones which would have allowed for rail travel to Minnesota to
>arrive there about the 15th June. If you find them arriving via Quebec,
>then they would be transmigrants . .that is . . .they first would have
>taken a feeder-ship to Britain, then boarded a transatlantic steamship at .
>.probably . .Liverpool. Take time to read all the lists though, as they
>could have sailed from London . . less likely Glasgow.
>
>The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the National Archives of
>Canada [NAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of
>arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can
>find
>the details for this procedure at this NAC Genealogy Research URL
> http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020202_e.html
>You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and
>outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports,
>they
>are not indexed. The LDS do also have copies of this microfilm, their
>number
>LDS number 0889459 ~ 1888 ~ port of Quebec
>LDS number 0889460 ~ 1889
>LDS number 0889461 ~ 1890 to 1891
>
>Good luck
>
>Sue
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