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From: "Don Hazeldine" <>
Subject: Re: [TSL] What ship?
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:20:10 -0000
Martin - there were 8 other Empires sailing in 1950 as troopship so I'd
stick to the Empress theme before we depress John totally! As it was the
time of the Korean War they all sailed through Suez.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Elliget" <>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [TSL] What ship?
> Hi John.
> I think I've come in on the tail-end of this thread but I'm wondering
> perhaps if, instead of an EMPRESS, it could have been the EMPIRE ORWELL?
> It transported British troops to Port Said early in 1950. From The
> Times, 10 Jan 1950:
> "In the days when troopships carried the soldiers of the Queen the
> transport of armed forces to the outposts of Empire meant an arduous
> voyage. In 1950 the soldier and his family sailing in the Empire Orwell
> for the Middle East on January 17 will enjoy the amenities of the very
> latest type of troopship." It goes on to say:
> "Built in the Blohm and Voss yard in 1936, the Empire Orwell (18,000
> tons) was originally the Pretoria, and came to Great Britain at the end
> of the war. Thornycrofts have performed a major job of conversion, the
> boilers have been replaced, and to-day the Empire Orwell in her new
> white paint and with the usual transport blue line round the hull, is
> ready to take 1,491 troops and their families to Port Said."
> Master of the ship was given as Captain A. C. G. Hawker. The EMPIRE
> ORWELL was managed for the Ministry of Transport by the Orient Line.
> There is a photo of the EMPIRE ORWELL on the first site below (the page
> has numerous other ships' photos):
> There is a second article on the EMPIRE ORWELL, with mentions of other
> liners and troopships, on the day she sailed for Port Said, 17 Jan 1950.
> Martin Elliget
> Fig Tree Pocket QLD Australia
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john.worthington1 [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 6:19 AM
> Subject: [TSL] What ship?
> In 1950 I was in the British Royal Army Service Corp and was transported
> Port Said Egypt in a liner that I've always thought to be The Empress of
> Britain. I recently heard that the same ship was sunk in the early 40s
> I'm now confused as to what ship it was. I wanted to build a scale model
> the ship I sailed on. Could anyone please help me with this problem? We
> sailed from Southampton to Egypt.
> Regards. John
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