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From: "J.M. de Montalk" <>
Subject: Re: [UK-CENSUS] Employment transposition!
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:56:07 +1200
References: <000c01c56194$51a5ed90$8200a8c0@Barb> <0ee501c561ab$cb1e7540$8e924154@user8aefylt54k> <002701c561b5$e39a9220$817ba8c0@Sauron> <000701c561dc$814c7c60$dbc8fea9@default> <006d01c5640f$92811fb0$0301010a@NICHOLAS> <005001c56428$630be300$cb5b9751@borrill>
OK thanks Mike. It's just that I've never heard of a female butler,
particularly in 1890!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Borrill" <>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CENSUS] Employment transposition!
> Hello Jeanette
> Yes, it is almost certainly that the enumerator has written on the wrong
> line but as we have said many times we are wrong to "assume". There are
> times when although there appears to be a mistake it is correct.
> In this case please transcribe "as is" and flag each line and in the
> notes for head something like" butler enumerated on wife record."
> Mike Borrill
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.M. de Montalk" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:30 AM
> Subject: [UK-CENSUS] Employment transposition!
>> On the piece I'm transcribing (1890) I have a male Phipps, head of
>> household etc, shown with a blank in the occupation column.The next entry
>> is for his wife Elizabeth, and she is shown with the occupation of
>> "Butler". Would it be acceptable to move the occupation to match with her
>> husband's entry?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill McKinlay" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CENSUS] Impossible to read!
>>> Hi Diane,
>>> Sooner or later we all get the very good and the very difficult
>>> pieces to deal with. If you are using spreadsheets for input, the
>>> techniques I use are:
>>> 1. Start on the next ED then set aside a little time in each
>>> transcribing session to work on one or two of the difficult
>>> schedules. (Just insert the required number of lines) This saves
>>> the sanity as well as the eyesight - at least you feel happier
>>> that you are still making progress.
>>> 2. Schedule numbers, even if they are difficult to read at least
>>> are identifiable by the line they are on and you get an
>>> indication of what you are probably looking at by the last
>>> readable one.
>>> 3. Fill in the gender first. Even if the numbers are unreadable,
>>> you can usually tell which column they were written in. Knowing
>>> too whether the person is a male or female is a big help to
>>> determine if the forename is a Jane or a James.
>>> 4. Fill out as much of the rest that you can readily make out
>>> next. The family structure starts to become apparent - Head,
>>> wife, children... is it Scholar on the occupation column of a
>>> child for instance? Is what you can make out consistant with what
>>> you are likely to find?
>>> 5. Try and sort out the dittos in the surname column so you are
>>> not spending time on those and focusing on the first entry. Put
>>> in what you can make out of that, it may not be perfect but it
>>> may be close enough for it to be picked up by a phonetic search
>>> and is a big help to those who follow.
>>> 6. Use hyphens or other defaults as required for the totally
>>> illegible entries and flag the whole lot as uncertain.
>>> 7. Send a sympathy card to the checker and validator.
>>> On one occasion it took me a month to do 14 pages but I got a
>>> heck of a lot more done over the same period as well.
>>> Good luck.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Diane" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [UK-CENSUS] Impossible to read!
>>> | I have a whole bunch of pages that are so faded that I can't
>>> make out most of it. Does anyone have any suggestions or hints
>>> that may help? Most of the given names you can figure out
>>> eventually, but surnames are another story.
>>> | And if there is nothing I can do... what do I enter?
>>> | Diane (going blind in BC)
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