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From: "Maryann Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [UK-GEN-NEWBIES] re british and welsh
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:04:48 -0500
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It takes a fine bunch of Irishers (which is what my Great Grandfather Patrick always called us) to carry on like this! Have enjoyed it immensely but still think of Patrick as green as the blessed isle! and will continue to do so! Bless you all! and happy day after! Maryann
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From: denise
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-GEN-NEWBIES] re british and welsh


Hello

I didn't see the original emails on this, but I hope what I put here helps.

One sourcebook says that St Patrick was born in Roman Britain, probably in the
southwest. Another religious source says that he was from what is now Dumbarton in
Scotland. He went to Ireland as a slave, escaped but went back some years later.

One religious history book says that he wasn't "...a saint with a capital S..." as he wasn't
officially canonised by Rome.

The following about the British Isles, UK etc is from an encylopedia:

The British Isles is a geographical term, for this group of islands - the 'mainland' of
England, Wales and Scotland as well as Ireland, the Isle of Man, Orkneys and
Shetlands and the myriad of other little islands in the area (Lundy, Hebrides etc).

Great Britain is the official name for England, Scotland and Wales and the adjacent
islands except for the Channel Islands and Isle of Man. This happened in 1603 when
the English and Scottish crowns were united under James I of England (James VI of
Scotland). With Northern Ireland it becomes the United Kingdom.

The term 'United Kingdom' became official in 1801 with the Act of Ireland but was in
use from 1707 when the Act of Union combined Scotland and England. In 1801 it was
the Act of Ireland which united Britain and Ireland.

So unless someone can confirm where St Patrick was born, perhaps its safer to call him
British!!

best wishes


Denise




Date forwarded: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:23:27 -0700
From: "gwynneth" <>
Date sent: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:23:23 -0000
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Date forwarded: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:23:40 +0000

> hi list
> If I am wrong I am sure someone will put me right. st patrick was
> surely both welsh and British as the British isle consists of england,
> wales and scotland, where as the united kingdom consists of england
> wales scotland and northern ireland so therefore those born in wales
> scotland and england are all british as well as welsh, english or
> scottish. though this would not be the case before england wales and
> scotland became the british isles.
> Gwynneth
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