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From: "Bernard MEECH" <>
Subject: Re: [UK-NEWS] Murder of Ellen SUTTLING, West Ham 1886
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 01:04:53 -0000
References: <ACEGIKAPHMPGLMIIFDIBMEBFDBAA.marionclare@shaw.ca>


Hi,

The explanation why Charles was never found could be as follows:-.
Being concerned about what he had done to his wife, he committeed suicide.
If this were the case and no body was found, look at any records on
unidentified bodies after the date of the attack. Then look at the evidence
which goes with the the bodies. You may now be able to notice a fact which
could link it to Charles.
The places to look for report unidentified bodies could well start along the
river and estuary.

If he just ran away, changing his name and stowing away on board a
ship.......... not much hope unless he confessed in another country without
extradition treaties with UK. He there could be a record not reported to
London. E.g. Spain or South America.

Good Luck!

Bernard


> I was a bit of a shock to find that my g.grandfather Charles SUTTLING
> murdered my. g.grandmother Ellen. It would appear from these newspaper
> cuttings that the police couldn't find him. I have not had any luck in
> finding more information on him or a trial through the courts records or
> newspapers.
>
> He was a dockyard worker in London so could have fled to another Port or
> jumped ship and left the country. Is there a newspaper which lists the
> ships leaving London Docks on September 3rd 1886? There appears to be no
> death record for him either.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions I would be grateful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marion
>
>
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> ............
>
> Pall Mall Gazette, September 3 1886
>
> DRINK AND ALLEGED WIFE MURDER - An inquiry was held at West Ham this
morning
> on the body of Ellen Suttling whose death is alleged to have been caused
by
> the brutal violence of her husband. Last Saturday the man appears to have
> charged his wife with taking some money. She denied all knowledge of it,
> and indeed the man found it where he had left it on the following morning,
> but he was very drunk and set about beating his wife in a shocking manner.
> He then left her and went to the public house. The injured woman was
> removed to the hospital and died on Wednesday. It appears to be only too
> plain from the evidence at the inquest that this is not the first time she
> has been subjected to terrible treatment. Dr. Kennedy, describing the
> condition of the deceased when he saw her, said she was in a state of
> collapse, her hands and feet cold and almost pulseless at the wrists, she
> being evidently dying. Both her eyes were blackened, there was a contused
> wound on the lobe of the left ear, bruises upon the chest and arms, the
> whole of the lower part of the body was one mass of bruises, while there
> were also bruises on the legs. The jury returned a verdict of wilful
murder
> against the husband Charles Suttling.
>
>
............................................................................
> ............
>
> Essex Chronicle 3/9/1886
>
> ALLEGED MANSLAUGHTER AT WEST HAM
>
> The West Ham police are actively engaged in looking for the whereabouts of
a
> dock labourer, named Charles Suttling, alias Smith, aged 40, who is
alleged
> to have maltreated his wife in such a shocking way on Saturday as to cause
> her death, which ensued on Wednesday morning. From what can be gathered,
it
> seems that the parties have lived at Curtis-street, West Ham, for some
time
> , and on Saturday night some words ensued, Suttling accusing his wife of
> having taken some money. She denied it, and her husband becoming
> exasperated, he knocked her down and kicked her in a very violent manner.
> The poor woman, who was much injured, managed to crawl upstairs about 11
> o'clock but was not able to get into bed. Her husband, who was drunk,
slept
> on the bed, and in the morning when he was sober he lifted his wife into
> bed, and he seems to have displayed considerable concern as to her
> condition. On Tuesday evening some neighbours communicated with the
> relieving officer, who sent for the police, and on the arrival of
Inspector
> Rooks, the doctor advised that the woman was in such a low state that it
> would be as well to take a statement from her: Reluctantly the woman then
> made some statement, which it is believed led to a search for her husband.
>
>
>
............................................................................
> .........
>
> THE ALLEGED WIFE MURDER AT WEST HAM.
>
> An enquiry was held at West Ham on Friday morning on the body of a woman
> named Suttling, who is reported to have died from the effects of the
> ill-usage of her husband, particulars of which we gave in our last - Dr.
> Kennedy, describing the condition of the woman when he saw her, said she
was
> in a state of collapse, her hands and feet cold and almost pulseless, she
> being evidently dying. Both her eyes were blackened, there was a contused
> wound on the lobe of the left ear, bruises upon the chest and arms, the
> whole of the lower part of the body was one mass of bruises, which there
> were also bruises on the legs. - The jury returned a verdict of "Wilful
> murder" against the husband Charles Suttling.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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