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From: Mary Kaiser <>
Subject: [UEL] Re: UNITED-EMPIRE-LOYALIST-D Digest V01 #188
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:45:01 -0400
References: <200109071501.f87F1L104578@lists5.rootsweb.com>


re : Elizabeth Carscallen : and Elias Hoffman

Elias is listed in the Sons and Daughters of American Loyalists as the son of Philip Hoffman of Fredericksburg. He received his order in council Aug. 7, 1822. There is no mention of his wife.

There are several Elizabeth Carscallens listed but one, daughter of John of Fredericksburg and his wife, Esther Fraser, married John Neely of Fredericksburgn Mar. 17, 1802.

Luke and George Carscallen each had a daughter Elizabeth, but no husband's name is given.
Hope some of this helps
Mary

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> Subject:
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> UNITED-EMPIRE-LOYALIST-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 188
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 [UEL] Re: BUTLER'S RAIDERS ["Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <]
> #2 [UEL] Re: Anthony Dougherty, UEL ["Carol T." <>]
> #3 Re: [UEL] BUTLER'S RAIDERS (RANGER ["John Merz" <>]
> #4 Re: [UEL] Black Loyalists ["John Merz" <>]
> #5 [UEL] Elizabeth (Carscallen) ["Jim Beattie" <]
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> Subject: [UEL] Re: BUTLER'S RAIDERS
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:25:02 -0400
> From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <>
> To:
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> On 5 Sep 2001, at 19:10, Dennis Radford wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for sources of info. about BUTLER'S RAIDERS. The
> > name that I'm researching is WILLCOX. Dennis Radford Oregon
> >
> > ______________________________
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> Are you sure you don't mean Butler's Rangers? See
>
> http://www.royalprovincial.com/military/rhist/brang/brlist.htm
>
> and
>
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/muster/butlers.shtml
>
> and
>
> http://iaw.on.ca/~awoolley/brang/brang.html
>
> There were many Loyalists with the surname WILLCOX
> (Wilcocks, etc) - we could help you better with a first name.
>
> For instance, Elija Wilcox is lsted as a "Private man 19 to
> 56" in "Return of Persons under the Description of Loylaists
> in Cpt William Caldwell's Co. of the Corps of [Butler's]
> Rangers" at Niagara, 30 Nov. 1783. Is this the man you are
> looking for?
>
> Lorine
>
> Lorine McGinnis Schulze
>
>
>
> The Olive Tree Genealogy
> http://OliveTreeGenealogy.com/
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> Subject: [UEL] Re: Anthony Dougherty, UEL
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:21:49 -0700
> From: "Carol T." <>
> To:
>
> Hello listers,
> Is there anyone out there who is doing research on the family of Anthony Dougherty, Orange Co., N.C. to the Long Point Settlement c. 1796?
> Anthony came with a group including the Walker and McCool families. His wife was Mary McCool d/o Archibald McCool who fell at the battle of Charleston. He died soon after arriving at the LPS.
> There were other families with them as well, but I don't know who they were.
> Anthony had no sons, but four daughters:
> Mary m. John Davis..also from N.C.
> Elizabeth [Betsey] m. Alex. Taggart [birth place unknown] my line.
> Martha m. [1] Nathaniel Root, [2] Sam Millard
> Margaret m. Jacob Clouse. [New Jersey]
> Anyone interested in any of the above, please contact me.
> Regards,
> Carol E. Taggart, UE
> Windsor, Ontario
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [UEL] BUTLER'S RAIDERS (RANGERS)
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:25:33 -0400
> From: "John Merz" <>
> To:
>
> Hello Dennis,
> I suspect you are talking about the BUTLER'S RANGERS,
> the Provincial Corps led by Col. Butler out of Niagara and
> Detroit.
> Of course, the name Wilcox and Willcocks is quite familiar
> in Upper Canada. Try the Upper-Canada list.
> Good luck,
> John Merz
>
> From: "Dennis Radford" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:10 PM
> Subject: [UEL] BUTLER'S RAIDERS
>
> I'm looking for sources of info. about BUTLER'S RAIDERS.
> The name that I'm researching is WILLCOX.
> Dennis Radford
> Oregon
>
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> Subject: Re: [UEL] Black Loyalists
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:02:41 -0400
> From: "John Merz" <>
> To:
>
> Hello Robert,
>
> Sorry I missed the show, it sure would have taken me away from
> my computer for the duration. Although Black Loyalists are not
> subject of my research, I do run into material at times when I do
> research on the Hessian soldiers of King George III. In many cases
> those soldiers were not treated much different, although I can't
> substantiate in detail what I am saying, but often they got the
> worst land around, or had to prove beyond any doubts that they
> deserved a land grant. Many times this was denied.
>
> But coming back to your issue, I happen to have Marion Gilroy's
> "Loyalists and Land Settlement in Nova Scotia" in front of me, has
> been my Guide for a long time, after all I studied the Hessian soldier
> settlers there and wrote a book about them "The Hessians of Nova Scotia".
> I want to give you one example of the treatment of the Hessians and the
> Blacks, they settled them in Clements Township, Annapolis County,
> on land which was real poor, still today there are three lines of
> concessions side by side, called the Waldeck Line, the Hessian Line,
> and the Negro Line, in lieu of a worse title.
>
> But here comes the real revelation, believe it or not, in Shelburne County,
> the Land grants are listed in the book alphabetically, and here you can read:
> Under Warrants issued - just to give you an example -
>
> Seaburne, John 1787 Shelburne Ts, 40 acres (Negro)
> Seaman, John 1786 Tusket River, S. 200 acres
> Sellers, Archibald 1786 Port Roseway Rv. 200 acres
> Shalter, Isaac 1787 Shelburne Ts. 40 acres (Negro)
> Sharp, John 1786 Port Roseway Rv. 200 acres
> and so on, some even got only 20 acres.
>
> Compensation, you say? Oh my goodness.
> John
>
> From: "rgvanidour" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:44 PM
>
> I am just watching the National. They are airing a documentary of the
> Black Loyalists who never received their title to land like the white
> Loyalist's did: because they were black. They are now seeking
> compensation for the wrong.
> Has anyone ever researched or know much on the subject?
>
> Robert Vanidour
> London, Canada
>
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> Subject: [UEL] Elizabeth (Carscallen)
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:09:44 -0400
> From: "Jim Beattie" <>
> To:
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Would anyone out there know if Elizabeth Carscallen was the wife of Elias
> Hoffman?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Beattie

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