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Subject: RE: [UEL] re George BUCK
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:03:35 -0400
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Here are some answers and clues from UEL rootsweb digestIsearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 63)

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Art.....

Yes, I seen WEB site from Bob. I have Philip Buck that he referring to.
That, I can prove. But this George Buck is not proven. And there seems to
be about 14 George Buck's flying around.

I have been trying to find more about him. I cannot put a solid claim to
him.
Just that his stats seem to combine with Philip Buck.

This is what I have on George Buck:

George Buck is on the "Original UE Roll at Elizabethtown" - O.C. 7 April 1807
at Kingston, Frontenac, Ontario. "Employed in assisting and directing
persons on Secret Service"

Born in Upper Rhöne Valley, Germany (Same as Philip and father Frederick).
Died 1805 Kingston, Ontario.

>From book below, I agree it does not show a John Buck as a son. It is
possible that he was "not in residence" when census was taken, plus several
other reasons. So I have held on to his name, hoping to find if he is or not
the son of George Buck.

His "son" John Buck married Rachel Davis was sent to me by a "cousin." The
only source I can find is in the 1871 census, as below.

"A John Buck was in 1871 census as living in Bertie Twp, Welland Co. CAN. Age
matches, 50 yr old."

I would be most please if someone else would offer information. Have not
been able to prove much, but we have to start somewhere........Beth.......

Copied as written:
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Caniff, William. History of the Settlement of
Upper Canada, With Special Reference to the Bay
of Quinte, Toronto: Dudley & Burns, Printers,
Victoria Hall, 1869.

Mary, m. Samuel Smith of Kingston. O.C. 23 Feb 1808.
George of Kingston, m. Hannah Snook
Hannah, m. Moses Smith of Kingston. O.C. 23 Feb 1808
Catharine, m. John Horning of Kingston. O.C. 23 Feb 1808
Eve, m. Daniel Howe of Kingston. O.C. 23 Feb 1808
Adam of Kingston, m. Rachel Emons. O. C. 16 Feb 1810
Frederick of Kingston, m. Dorothy Snook. O. C. 25 March 1809
Susannah, m. John Leoney of Kingston. O.C. 17 Nov 1797
BUCK, George Jr. of Kingston, m. Hannah Snook. See 21/8 Darlington.
Elizabeth, bapt. 1 Feb 1795; m. Oliver Lyons of Loughborough. O.C. 18 Feb
1843
Susannah, m. Henry Christopher of Kingston. O.C. 19 Sept 1839
Catharine, m. David Hughston of Loughborough. 31 July 1814 O.C. 18 Feb
1843
Martin of Loughborough, bapt 17 Dec 1809. O.C. 18 Feb 1843
George of Kingston. O.C. 18 Feb 1843
Philip of Kingston. O.C. 18 Feb 1843

BUCK, George of Elizabethtown.
Joseph of Lansdowne. O.C. 7 aug 1834
Katherine, m. ---- Pattison. O.C. 31 May 1830

BUCK, Mehitable of Augusta.
Mary, m. Andrew Liddel of Elizabethtown. O.C. 8 Feb 1808
Samuel M. of Edwardsburgh. O.C.13 June 1818
Asenath, m. John Baldwin of Matilda. O.C. 30 Oct 1822
Pg 39


Birth: 1878 in Asphodel Twp.,Peterborough,Ontario,Canada
Death:
Father: Mother:
Spouse:
Sex: F

Margaret BUCK from John Cameron Ward’ Tree
Birth: 1875 in Asphodel Twp.,Peterborough,Ontario,Canada
Death:
Father: Mother:
Spouse:
Sex: F
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George BUCK
Birth: About 1740 in Germany
Death: About 1805 in Kingston, Ulster, NY
Sex: M
Father:
Mother:


(Wife)

Marriage: ABT 1765 in NY

Elizabeth HOPP (Wife)

Children:
Margaret BUCK
Catherine BUCK
Mary BUCK
George BUCK
Hannah BUCK
Frederick BUCK
Susannah BUCK
Eva BUCK
Adam BUCK
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Individual:
George emigrated from Germany and settled in Tryon Co, NY. During
the
revolution he assisted and directed people involved in spying for the
British forces. He was unable to serve in the army because he had a
club foot.After the war he moved with his family to Kingston, Ont. He
drew
3 lots on 4 Jul 1785: Lot 18. 4 Con. - Lot 5. 4 Con. - Lot 10. 4 Con.
George was a United Empire Loyalist, Order in Council, 7 Apr 1807. It
shows in records that he drew rations for his wife, himself, and a
family which consisted of 2 sons over the age of 10, 2 sons under 10, 4
daughters over 10, and 2 daughters under 10. George had Crown Deed
for Lot 24
in 4 Con. Kingston Township.
"Return of Disbanded Troops and Loyalists Settled in Township No. 1
Cataraqui. Mustered 9th day of October 1784". Showed he was listed
as having 1 wife, 2 sons above 10, 2 sons under 10, 4 daughters over 10,
and 3 duaghters under 10 years of age. George contributed to the
building
of St George's Church.

Children Source: United Empire Loyalist Links - Waller - Allen Co Lib
Individual:
George emigrated from Germany and settled in Tryon Co, NY. During
the
revolution he assisted and directed people involved in spying for the
British forces. He was unable to serve in the army because he had a
club foot.After the war he moved with his family to Kingston, Ont. He
drew
3 lots on 4 Jul 1785: Lot 18. 4 Con. - Lot 5. 4 Con. - Lot 10. 4 Con.
George was a United Empire Loyalist, Order in Council, 7 Apr 1807. It
shows in records that he drew rations for his wife, himself, and a
family which consisted of 2 sons over the age of 10, 2 sons under 10, 4
daughters over 10, and 2 daughters under 10. George had Crown Deed
for Lot 24
in 4 Con. Kingston Township.

"Return of Disbanded Troops and Loyalists Settled in Township No. 1
Cataraqui. Mustered 9th day of October 1784". Showed he was listed
as having 1 wife, 2 sons above 10, 2 sons under 10, 4 daughters over 10,
and 3 daughters under 10 years of age. George contributed to the
building
of St. George's Church.

Children Source: United Empire Loyalist Links - Waller - Allen Co Lib
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George BUCK
Birth: 1770 in Tryon Co, NY
Death: 1856 Birth: 1770 in Tryon Co, NY
Death: 1856
Sex: M
Father: George BUCK
Mother: Elizabeth HOPP

Hannah SNOOK (Wife)

Children:
Catherine BUCK
Elizabeth BUCK
George BUCK
Phillip BUCK
Susannah BUCK
John BUCK
Martin BUCK
Frederick BUCK
Hannah Susannah BUCK

Individuals from other files that are believed
to be the same person: George Buck of Johnson
Family Tree
Frederick George Buck of CASEBY surname and
variants.
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George BUCK
Birth: About 1740 in Germany 1
Death: 1804 in Kingston, Township, Ontario,
Canada. 1
Sex: M
Father:
Mother:

Changed: 13 May 2000 01:00:00

Elizabeth Hops (Wife)
1
Marriage: ABT 1763 in Possibly, Loonenburgh
Lutheran Church, New York, USA.
Children:
Margaret Buck
Catherine Buck
Mary Buck
Hannah Buck
Susannah Buck
Frederick George Buck
Eva Buck
Adam Buck


Individual:
Notes for George BUCK from Internet FTM Ancestors
of Julia Christina RICE.

George emigrated from Germany and settled in
Tryon Co, NY. During the revolution he assisted
and directed people involved in spying for
the British forces. He was unable to serve in the
army because he had a clubfoot. After the war he
moved with his family to Kingston, Ont. He drew
3 lots on 4 Jul 1785: Lot 18. 4 Con. - Lot 5. 4
Con. - Lot 10. 4 Con.George was a United Empire
Loyalist, Order in Council, 7 Apr 1807. It shows
in records that he drew rations for his wife,
himself, and a family which consisted of 2 sons
over the age of 10, 2 sons under 10, 4daughters
over 10, and 2 daughters under 10. George had
Crown Deed forLot 24 in 4 Con. Kingston Township.
"Return of Disbanded Troops and Loyalists Settled
in Township No. 1Cataraqui. Mustered 9th day of
October 1784". Showed he was listed ashaving 1
wife, 2 sons above 10, 2 sons under 10, 4
daughters over 10, and3 duaghters under 10 years
of age. George contributed to the building of St
George's Church. Children Source: United Empire
Loyalist Links -Waller - Allen Co Lib.
[Testing98.ftw]

Sources
Title: Family data from Diane WOOD (nee BAILEY)
from Indiana, USA.
Author: A Cousin in Texas who prepared some data
for DAR membership
Publication: Some aspects of Diana's ancestry
Text: Email from; to Ronald
Rodger Caseby dated, 09 May 2000 13:49, Dear
Ron:Absolutely all I know about Caseby is from
research my cousin in Texas did to be a member of
DAR. She did not have to go past 10th
generation, and she did not. I have been trying
to. Anyway, Elizabeth Caseby married Jan Hops
and their daughter Elizabeth Hops leaped into my
proven family tree via marrying George Buck who
was born in 1740 in Germany, married her in New
York and died in 1804 in Ontario, Canada. Their
son Frederick George Buck, born December 22, 1
770 in New York, married Dorothy Anna (Hannah)
Snook (her parents were Martinus Schnuk (Mart in
Snook) and his wife Elizabeth Schauerman (whose
parents were Johann Emerick Schauerman an d Ann
Catherine Schertz) and Dorothy and Frederick
George Buck's son Frederick Buck was born May 16,
1816.
If that helps. If you are interested, the latter,
Frederick Buck was the grandfather of
my great grandmother, and I have a lot of other
ancestors related to HER. I'm not very good, at
all, on the web except for checking
www.telescope.com for the astronomical
doings in the sky weekly and e-mailing. But I
will try your sites. I''m sorry I don't know
anything about Elizabeth Caseby except her
descendants. My cousin had her husband as Jan
Hops. Maybe it is your Hopp connection. Thanks
for writing. Write anytime, because I fell heir
to a 30-cd set of Family Tree Maker 7
.0 and might be able to find out something for
you. Regards, Diane.
On 13/05/2000 Diane WOOD added the following data
in an email;
"Elizabeth Caseby married Jan Hops or Hopps.
Their daughter Elizabeth Hopps
married, in New York, George Buck, who was born
in 1740 in Germany. Their
son Frederick George Buck married Dorothy Anna
(Hanna) Snook (Daughter of
Martinus Schnuck and Elizabeth Schauerman (who
was daughter of Johann Emerick
Schauerman and Ann Catherine Schertz) (who was
the daughter of Andreas
Schurz and Catharina Apollonia Steiver) Johann's
father was my favorite
ancestor, Conrad Schauerman who came here in 1710
after marrying Maria Salome
Schneider on April 3, 1703.) That isn't as
confusing as it sounds.

Frederick George's son was Frederick Buck, born
May 16, 1816, who married
Mary Ann Makin on October 17, 1837. Their child
was Harriet Matilda Buck,
born February 11, 1839 in Ontario Canada. She
married William Wilson Huff,
and THEIR daughter, Violetta Elizabeth Huff was
my great grandmother. She
married on December 27, 1882 in Illinois, Warren
Henry Gibbons, born July 29,
1858 in Dekalb County, Illinois. One of their
daughters, Grace Harriet (They
had 7: Tommy, who died when he was 9, Mae, Ruth,
Rachel, Bill, Bernice, and
Evelyn) married Newton Thomas Bailey born April
27, 1884 on Oconne Shelby
County, Illinois and one of their two sons,
Warren Marvin [which name he
hated and never used, and everyone to a person
all his life since grade
school called him "Duke.") Bailey was my and my
sister's beloved Daddy".
*************

If anyone can sort all this out, please let me know..... I am going in
circles.

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Since I helped her, she may pass it on to you.

Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 04:41:12 EDT
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Subject: [UEL] Re: Unusual Question w/ spy story!
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Well....OK.. you asked for it w.

The story of my spy 'in the family' should be told by one of his descendants,
of whom I know several. But he was the brother of my 5th great grandfather,
my Uncle. He had come to America about 1744ish, with his younger brother,
father, and his mother, from Upper Rhone Valley, Germany. My little spy was only
4 years old at the time. They settled in the Philadelphia area where his
father made a nice living on a little farm.

Both boys grew up, got married and moved to the Mohawk Valley, the spy made
his home in Fonda, NY. The brothers joined the US military at Fort Stanwick in
about 1860, but things didn't set well with them, so they left.

The poor spy had a problem with his foot, some say from an injury and some
say a 'club foot', which has yet to be determined. Unable to fight for the
cause but yet was Loyal to the Crown, he became a spy for them.

He had his family started and had 6 children before he became a 'undercover
agent.' Being very sly and stealth, he was never exposed, that at least not
that I know of. He did what he could while seeing to his family, which was
growing. By 1784 they had a total of 10 kids. (I would think, just keeping tack
of 10 kids would be enough to keep him busy!)

When things started to settle down and the Crown ordered everyone that was a
Loyalist to come to Canada by 1784, to make their homes with free land that
they had earned, George took his family to Kingston, Ontario to settle into a
new land and make a new home for his family.

The younger brother continued to be a Loyalist and fought under Capt. Butler.
Was captured, held at New York City, released and rejoined Capt Butler in
Quebec in about 1778-9. And stayed in service until 1784.

Spies are hard to come by, you know, but George Buck, of Kingston and his
brother, Philip Buck (settled Bertie Twp. Niagara area) have many descendants
known today. Many still in Ontario, but many more have settled here in the
States, much to our pleasure.
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NOW..Does anyone know where information might be for spies?
I went to the web site that was suggestion but nothing there.

And does anyone else have a 'spy' story???

Beth

>
> This is the 'original' question in question (below).. tell us about your
> spy. Quick! - before you get 20 replies! w.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:43 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [UEL] UNUSUAL QUESTION
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > This is going to sound strange but is there a list of names
> > anywhere of the
> > men who were spies for the British Government during the American
> > Revolution?
> > Even a book would be of use.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kimberly Hurst UE
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:42 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [UEL] UNUSUAL QUESTION
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry but I missed the original question on this Unusual spy question.
> >
> > Since I have a spy 'in the family,' during the Rev War, I would
> > like to know
> > the query.
> >
> >
>
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Delphine Large [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:33 AM
To:
Subject: [UEL] re George BUCK

Hello listers;


George BUCK, Elizabethtown Twsp., Leeds County, Ontario. Old list UEL. Lot 4, Con 7
Lot 20. Con 8

I am a new lister seeking infomation on a recently discovered ancestor. I know he had a son,
Joseph, b 1774, m to Mary Hagerman.Have list of those offspring. All this courtesy of a published family
history and the helpful publisher who came to my aid as a result of a plea on Upper Canada web-
site. Kudos to Marg Hagerman!

I would like to know about George's birthplace, origin, parentage, siblings, marriage and children,from where he served as a UEL. I have requested the Burleigh Papers and would appreciate any helpful information
toward my goal. Thank you so much!
Delphine Cameron Large
Victoria , B.C.

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