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From: "DIANA QUINONES" <>
Subject: Re: Re:[USShipsPre1820] Re:Hans Wagner
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:19:57 -0600


Doris, could this be him with family? :

Place: Carolina or Pennsylvania
Year: 1750
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Hans
Accompanying Family Members: Wife Catharina Buser; child Barbara; child Hans Jacob; child Sebastian; child Anna Maria
Source Code: 1960
Source Publication:
FAUST, ALBERT BERNHARDT, and GAIUS MARCUS BRUMBAUGH. Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies. Vol. 2. Washington, D.C.: The National Genealogical Society, 1925. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1976. ix, 243p.
Source Annotation:
Contains lists of emigrants from the Cantons of Bern and Basel, 1709-1795, taken from the official archives of those cities. Items nos. 1952 and 1960, with Leo Schelbert's "Notes on Lists of Swiss Emigrants" from item no. 8040, pp. 245-255, are all in the reprint in one volume.
Source Page Number: 160

This source also shows the following, which is confusing me!

Place: Carolina or Pennsylvania
Year: 1740
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Martin
Accompanying Family Members: Wife Maria Grieder; child Maria; child Hans Jacob
Source Code: 1960
Source Publication:
FAUST, ALBERT BERNHARDT, and GAIUS MARCUS BRUMBAUGH. Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies. Vol. 2. Washington, D.C.: The National Genealogical Society, 1925. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1976. ix, 243p.
Source Annotation:
Contains lists of emigrants from the Cantons of Bern and Basel, 1709-1795, taken from the official archives of those cities. Items nos. 1952 and 1960, with Leo Schelbert's "Notes on Lists of Swiss Emigrants" from item no. 8040, pp. 245-255, are all in the reprint in one volume.
Source Page Number: 131

Place: Pennsylvania
Year: 1750
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Hans
Source Code: 1804
Source Publication:
EGLE, WILLIAM HENRY, editor. Names of Foreigners Who Took the Oath of Allegiance to the Province and State of Pennsylvania, 1727-1775, with the Foreign Arrivals, 1786-1808. (Pennsylvania Archives, ser. 2, vol. 17.) Harrisburg [PA]: E.K. Meyers, 1890. 787p. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1967.
Source Annotation:
Taken from original manuscripts in the state archives. Names given throughout pages 1-677. Foreigners arriving in Pennsylvania named on pages 521-667. No. 3776, Kelker, supplements this.
Source Page Number: 320

Here is one that entered in 1731:

Place: America
Year: 1731
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Hans
Source Code: 2883
Source Publication:
HALL, CHARLES M. "Pal-Index": A Surname Index of Eighteenth-Century Immigrants. Salt Lake City: Global Research Systems, 1979. 147p.
Source Annotation:
Data on immigrants from France (Alsace-Lorraine), Switzerland, southern Germany, and some adjacent places, arriving between 1727 and 1775. "Palatines" was a term adopted from British merchants and the people of Philadelphia whose first contact with large migrations from continental Europe in the 1700s was with Palatines (Pfaelzer in German), people from the Palatinate (Pfalz). A third of the immigration in this period was from what later became Baden-Wuerttemberg. Information includes name, origin, date, place of settlement, and sometimes the religion. About 6,500 names gathered from about 50 sources.
Source Page Number: 119 and this one from the same reference and page number:
Place: America
Year: 1731
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Heinrich

And this in 1750:

Place: Philadelphia
Year: 1750
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Hans
Source Code: 9041
Source Publication:
STRASSBURGER, RALPH BEAVER. Pennsylvania German Pioneers: A Publication of the Original Lists of Arrivals in the Port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1808. Edited by William John Hinke. Norristown [PA]: Pennsylvania German Society, 1934. 3 vols. Vols. 1 and 3 reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1964. Repr. 1983. Vol. 1. 1727-1775. 776p.
Source Annotation:
Contains 29,800 names, with annotations written by Krebs (see no. 4203). Various references to the names in Strassburger will be found in other listings, mostly where authors have attempted to line up their information with that in Strassburger. This work (often referred to as Strassburger and Hinke) is much superior to no. 7820, Rupp, and no. 1804, Egle. It forms a revision with additions to Rupp and Egle, and was prepared and edited with great accuracy. Vol. 1 contains captains' lists, 1727-1775; vol. 2 has facsimiles of all signatures of signers of oaths of allegiance and oaths of abjuration, and was not included in the G.P.C. reprint; vol. 3 has captains' lists from 1785-1808, and indexes to captains, ships, ports of departure, and surnames in all volumes. The set was originally vols. 42-44 of the Pennsylvania German Society Proceedings.
Source Page Number: 442

And here is one that should be easy to find the reference for in order to rule in or out!

Place: Pennsylvania
Year: 1732
Primary Immigrant: Wagner, Hans Georg
Source Code: 1330.1
Source Publication:
COUSINS, ELIZABETH. Immigrants Into Pennsylvania, September 1727-September 1732. np: Pathfinders, nd. 51p.
Source Annotation:
Date of arrival or date of oath of allegiance and port of arrival. Name of ship and other historical information may also be provided.
Source Page Number: 37

Also on page 38 of the above source is a Hans Ulrich Wagner in 1732.

I can see why your Wagner might be elusive!
Hope these help.
Diana in AL

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Here's one I haven't thought to ask for before at that port. I'm looking for Hans Wagner, or a similar spelling, arriving in Charlestown SC sometime around 1730. He may be on the Plaisance, 1732, from Rotterdam, late of Cowes, stopped in Philadelphia in Sept 1732. If you find him, I'd appreciate any other Wagners or similar names. On one list of the Plaisance it's Waginar, another Wegenar, etc. He would be roughly 20, may show a middle name, or may have Hans as a middle name. He's an elusive man. . .

thanks,
Doris Waggoner
Seattle


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