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From: "GingerH" <>
Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Circus
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:05:23 -0500
References: <20011006153646.97902.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>


Esse said, in part:
> At no time, did we ever have a secret mailing list as
> Board Exec supposedly was.

Esse,
Don't you think before folks make statements of fact
they should know what they are talking about?

Ginger

who does not recollect Esse ever being a board member

----- Original Message -----
From: "Esse Frye" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Circus


> Alice;
>
> In reference to portions of your message below, let me
>
> say something.
>
> At no time, did we ever have a secret mailing list as
> Board Exec supposedly was. It was a closed mailing
> list to discuss what is being discussed openly on the
> board list right now. So far, there has not been any
> grievances come up. It will be interesting at the
> least as to what the board will do then.
> --- Alice Gayley <> wrote:
> > With all due respect, Roger, the one single theme
> > that
> > came through before, during, and after the last
> > election,
> > was the desire for the Board to conduct its
> > deliberations
> > and business in full view of the project membership.
> > Now,
> > that we have been granted this "warts and all" view
> > of the board, we
> > must also keep in mind that the Board needs time to
> > present and discuss
> > ideas before rushing into making ill-defined motions
> > that have to be
> > rescinded by later motions, as has happened on more
> > than one occasion.
> > The Board no longer has a secret list or a caucus
> > room in which to
> > pledge cooperation and build coalitions and
> > concensus before presenting
> > motions to the entire board.
> > Alice Gayley <> wrote:
> > In my view Robert's Rules of Order or other
> > parlimentary guideline is a
> > tool, nothing more or nothing less. And, this tool
> > should be used to
> > facilitate, not confuse and confound, the Board's
> > cyberspace
> > discussions.
>
> I have yet to see that...
>
> > Alice Gayley <> wrote:
> > And let's keep things in perspective. Which is more
> > important? The
> > outcome(s) of the Board's deliberations or the
> > parlimentary authority
> > followed by the board during its deliberations?
> > Which will have the
> > greatest long-term impact on the County Coordinators
> > and the USGenWeb
> > project?
> >
> >The outcome of such deliberations are important, but
> if rules are not followed, there will be confusion as
> to who is in charge and who is running the show, so to
> speak. If you have been following the board list
> converstaion, Teresa was out of order. The
> recommendations should have come from Holly as she is
> the NC. If Teresa wanted to make the recommendations,
> she should have made a motion and used them as
> suggestions. Just who is in charge? Teresa or Holly?
> This is where the Parliamentary procedures come in.
>
> Alice Gayley <> wrote:
> > Please explain the downside of studying a particular
> > suggestions/concern
> > to determine its impact on the USGenWeb Project?
>
> As you have already stated, mass confusion and havoc
> with no set rules of how to run a meeting. Plain and
> simple. Whether in cyberspace or not, rules have to be
> followed if you want a orderely and sensible meeting
> to occur.
>
> >Esse
> >
>
>
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