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From: "Jana Black" <>
Subject: RE: [USGenWeb-SW] [BOARD-L] VOTE Motion 04-14
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:02:46 -0700
In-Reply-To: <20040601222905.1680.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Darilee,

I entirely understand - been there, done that - sigh. I appreciate your
willingness to share, it serves to further underscore the unanimous vote
so that there can be no question regarding those who for whatever reason
were not able to participate in the vote.

Jana

-----Original Message-----
From: bookstorelady [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:29 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [USGenWeb-SW] [BOARD-L] VOTE Motion 04-14


I'm wading through 248 messages from yesterday. 31st May. I have
even more than that for the 30th. I got behind last Monday... my 25mg
mailbox has been 96% full all week.

Yes, I do get confused... I raised 3 daughters and a son and
survived the 60's. I have 6 operating braincells and they are currently
busy on that breathing thing...

Motion 4-14... It was written by one of the best Motion writers we
have... and it is accurate and well thought out. I hesitated. I would
have voted Yes. For one reason only... the dismissals of the
"disgruntled" CC's who did not have any recourse and the apparent
copyright violation.

Thank you Jana for helping me review my thinking process...
because while this note is a bit trite... I did think about my answer
long and hard... I am very unhappy that this action was taken but it
is appropriate.

Respectfully
Darilee








Jana Black <> wrote:
Um, Motion 04-14 was about the GA situation.... Motion 04-13B regards
the proposed revisions and is still on the table.

Jana


-----Original Message-----
From: bookstorelady [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:38 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [USGenWeb-SW] [BOARD-L] VOTE Motion 04-14


I personally dislike the current by-laws...

I also support the works of the by-law committee

I thought the motion to return the by-laws to committee for work and
state support was a stalling effort.

I would have vote No.

I strongly believe in majority wins and regret not voting.

I do support breaking the bylaws down into individual components and
allowing a CC vote

Darilee



Jana Black wrote:
Hi Darilee,

I saw your post about being away - do you care to share what your vote
would have been on motion 04-14?

Jana

-----Original Message-----
From: bookstorelady [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:21 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SW] [BOARD-L] VOTE Motion 04-14


Harold said: "I was not aware that Georgia CCs had had two thirds of the
CCs
file a complaint and it had not been recognized by the NC."

This is a totally incorrect statement. There were no grievances filed
with the AB against the leadership of Georgia in nearly a year... then
just recently that
leadership took it upon themselves to dismiss several CC's using
"disgruntled"...


Truly. There would have been no action taken against the leadership of
Georgia until they went for lack of better words "bonkers" and dismissed
CC's on whims.

The copyright issue is of major concern. Again. It was the leadership of

Georgia that acted.

Yes the NC and the AB were slow to publicly acknowledge the dismissals.
We were listening to the "vocal' Georgoia CC's and information has been
exchanged since their dismissals.

Why Georgia and not North Dakota... I'm not sure. Perhaps it's the way
the
state is structured.

Regards

Darilee









Harold Kilmer wrote:
Thanks for some input on this problem I was not aware that Georgia CCs
had had two thirds of the CCs file a complaint and it had not been
recognized by the NC. David._____________________________________
Harold Kilmer - NMGenWeb Coordinator for
Curry, De Baca, Guadalupe, Lea, Roosevelt &
Quay Counties in the great state of New Mexico.
http://rootsweb.com/~nmcurry/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "W David Samuelsen"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SW] [BOARD-L] VOTE Motion 04-14


> I beg to differ on this.
>
> The GA CCs had been threatened, intimidated, driven out and expelled
> for mere disagreement with the SC and his ASCs. The GA CCs already
> tried on their own and it got worse.
>
> To quote from one CC in GA on usgenweb-discuss so succiently: "Anyone
> on this list who has complained about anything US Gen is doing more
> than 3 times in the last month is hereby declared "disgruntled". You
> will be delinked and all your sites placed for adoption."
>
> How bad can it be?
>
> If you look at the listing of GA CCs over the years since 2001, you
> will discover there is high turnover as result of the actions by the
> SC and his ASCs.
>
> Not only that, the well-being of whole Project is affected.
>
> And the submitters of data were threatened, deceived and diverted by
> the SC's cohorts, too, to the dismay of the CCs who were supposed to
> receive them and the file managers for USGenWeb Archives who were
> supposed to receive them. Some of the submitters made it very clear
> that their submissions go to the Archives only.
>
> And legal copyright violations occurred and it came to the a big head
> over a week ago, that the copyright attorney for Rootsweb is now
> involved, including shut down of one GA county account belonging to
> one of the CCs who is too cozy with that state SC and his ASCs.
> Rootsweb is prepared to shut down the county accounts and take away
> mailing lists from those offenders.
>
> This SC is also SC in another state (North Dakota) and the ASCs are
> ASC or CC in other states - thereby the whole Project is affected.
> Pettys is CC in ND, NY and AL beside GA.
>
> And I say yes to the 4-14 because the CCs are the backbone and they
> should not be treated so shabby as that state SC and his ASCs have
> done. Nothing like this in other states. Only in Georgia but the
> well-being of whole project is affected.
>
> David Samuelsen
>
> Harold Kilmer wrote:
> > If this is a Georgia problem then it should be handled in and by
> > Georgia CCs.
> >
> > Your explanation did not say why North Dakota is involved or the
> > Pettys.
I
> > thought they raced cars. :o)
> >
> > It has been said that we don't want to kick anyone out; however it
> > sure looks like someone is trying.
> >
> > Again I would say that this requires a NO vote.
> >
> > _____________________________________
> > Harold Kilmer - NMGenWeb Coordinator for
>
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