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From: "Don Kelly" <>
Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SW] Questions for the NC candidates and SW-SC Region candidates.
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:46:14 -0700
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I am a different Don, but I will provide input IMHO.

From 1996 to date I have supported maintenance of archives at the national,
state and county levels.

This is not limited to the archives listed.

This is not limited to the projects listed.

At the county level county level data should exist and statewide or unknown
county data kept at the state level, and all that data should also kept at
the federal level as a fully indexed by state and county, central
repository.

And NO FIGHTING about who owns exclusive right to display.public copyright
free records

But one must also consider webspace and server available. This goes to CC
rights to use available resources.

The essence of security is found in losing a national database (forbid the
thought) while having the local ability to restore the lost data.

Example, We lost not all, but lots of GenConnect and surname helper data
didn't we? We were unable to fully restore those losses......no matter what
they otherwise stated.

We COULD suffer that same kind of loss again, only much larger......we are
obligated to each other to protect hard earned data the best we can.....and
broad distribution make it easier for researchers to find.

Don Kelly, NW/P SC Rep, CC for four CountyGenWebs in four states, and 2004
candidate for NC.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Morgan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SW] Questions for the NC candidates and SW-SC Region
candidates.


>
> To answer Don's anti-archives questions:
>
> I am a strong supporter of the archives and I try to put all submissions
> to my county web site on BOTH the county web site and in the archives.
>
> I am fortunate in that my county web sites are on Rootsweb, where I have
> unlimited space. But for those that have space on GeoCities or other
> places with limited space, they don't have much choice but to either
> put something in the archives or not put it on their web site.
>
> In short, if you don't like the archives, please vote for someone else.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Don Tharp wrote:
>
> > Questions to candidates for national office who would represent my
interest if
> > elected. That is
> > National Coordinator
> > Charles Barnum, Shari Handley, Don Kelly, Karen Mitchell, Richard White
> >
> > State Coordinator Representative
> > Larry Flesher
> >
> > County Coordinator Representative
> > David Morgan, Mike St. Clair, Phyllis Rippee
> >
> > My questions are found at the bottom of this message. Sorry, the message
is
> > rather lengthy, but I feel everyone should know what I find of concern
if they
> > are to evaluate your answers.
> >
> > Extracted from our bylaws; [the * emphasis are mine]
> >
> > "ARTICLE II. PURPOSE
> > Section 1. The USGenWeb Project is an organized group of volunteers
working to
> > create an online center for genealogical research by linking every
county in
> > the United States. The purpose of this organization shall be to gather
> > genealogical and historical information for free online access by
researchers
> > Section 2. This purpose shall be accomplished by presenting websites
which
> > shall
> > be *central repositories of historical and genealogical research data,
donated
> > either by the website coordinator or other contributors*. In presenting
this
> > information, the foundation of the organization shall be at the local
websites
> > (county, township, parish, town, etc.) which shall be linked to the
state
> > websites which shall be linked to the national website. The USGenWeb
Project
> > shall also provide a "digital library" called The USGenWeb Project
Archives."
> >
> > >From the pages of the National web site; [ again the * are mine]
> > [http://www.usgenweb.org/projects/projects.html]
> > we find this explanation of the Special Projects
> >
> > "In its original concept, The USGenWeb Project was to be organized by
state
> > and
> > county, with volunteers coordinating efforts to collect genealogy data
for
> > their selected counties or states. However, much genealogy data cannot
be
> > limited to a single county, or even a single state. So, USGenWeb started
> > branching out and some more specialized "projects" were created *to
collect
> > and
> > disseminate data that goes beyond county and state lines*."
> >
> > We now have local entities with little resource material, only links to
the
> > Archives, when did we change the definition of a local entity?
> >
> > And, if one peruses the pages of the Archives you will find statements
that
> > reveal they are in direct competition with the local entities for
resource
> > material to post. When did the Archives take the place of the local
entities?
> >
> > For example, you will find solicitation by the Archives for the
volunteers to
> > contribute and post the following types of material.
> >
> > [This information was taken from the pages of the Archives.]
> > [http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/timetodo.htm]
> >
> > Types of files for the Archives include:
> >
> > FEDERAL CENSUS (free, slave, mortality, agriculture, veterans...
schedules)
> >
> > STATE CENSUS
> >
> > VITAL RECORDS
> > 1.marriage, 2.birth, 3.death, 4.divorce (or under court?),
> > Court records (county, federal, civil, circuit, probate....),
> > Church records (members lists, baptisms...), Bible Records, Newspapers
(obits,
> > marriage & birth announcements, local events...),
> >
> > PRISON RECORDS
> > (got some proven moonshiners in my tree - the rest is just rumor )
> >
> > MILITARY RECORDS (rosters, muster rolls, service records, pension
> > applications...),
> > 1.Revolutionary 2.Civil War, 3.Indian Wars, 4.Mexican,
> > 5.Spanish-American, 6.War of
> > 1812, 7.WWI, 8.WWII, 9.Korean, 10.Viet Nam, 11.Persian Gulf
> >
> > LAND RECORDS (deeds, land transfers, federal land grants, surveyor's
> > records...)
> >
> > TAX RECORDS (land, property, state, federal, local....)
> >
> > LOCAL HISTORIES
> >
> > LOCAL DIRECTORIES (phone books, old county and city directories....)
> >
> > OCCUPATIONAL (?) (Mining inspector's reports, Accident reports, railroad
> > reports, company
> > newsletters....)
> >
> > EDUCATIONAL (?) (school histories, newsletters, KY's school census,
> > yearbooks?)
> >
> > CEMETERIES
> >
> > DEEDS/GRANTS
> >
> > MISC*
> > Newspapers/obits, Ship Lists, Tax lists, Wills
> >
> > Now to my questions;
> >
> > 1.) As NC, SW-SC Regional candidates how much of the above material
solicited
> > on the Archive web sites do you feel should be on local entity pages and
how
> > much should be on the Archives pages? Please answer specifically unless
you
> > state all or none. If you state all, what role do you see for the local
> > entities in the future? If none, what role do you see for the Archives
in the
> > future?
> >
> > 2.) What interpretation do you give to the phrase *central repositories
of
> > historical and genealogical
> > research data, donated either by the website coordinator or other
> > contributors*. What do
> > you consider a central repository?
> >
> > 3.) What interpretation do you give to the phrase *to collect and
disseminate
> > data that goes beyond
> > county and state lines*? What types of records do you consider go beyond
> > county or state
> > lines? Obits, marriage records, cemetery inscriptions, etc.? Please give
> > your examples, if any.
> >
> > 4.) If the Archives are to continue placing all genealogical material on
their
> > web sites, what role do
> > you envision for the local web sites?
> >
> > Thank you for you time and any answers you give to the above questions.
> >
> > Don Tharp
> > Host Chautauqua, Hodgeman, Ness counties, KSGenWeb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii
> CC Rep candidate: SouthWest/SouthCentral Region
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