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From: Charles Barnum <>
Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-NW] [USGENWEB-SW] FW: [USGENWEB-DISCUSS] Some Thoughts
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 9:36:33 -0700


Norma,
The confusion for me was based on a post I read where the existing Special Projects would come under the States.
Some states do have special projects and even a state archives. That is fine, but taking existing projects and adding them to the states is not what I prefer.
As far as the Archives and Special Projects breaking away, that is okay, if they want to do it.
Why not let the states break away to form their own organization with a new set of Bylaws?
Charles

---- Norma Jennings <> wrote:

=============
If done properly, this might end some of the
bickering and power struggles. The two census
projects have long been a source of much controversy.
If both were private, it wouldn't matter if there were
two or ten census projects in UsGenWeb

I'm not sure if this also means the special
projects that come under state jurisdiction would also
be severed. I would be unhappy if the Iowa in the
Civil War site was severed from IAGENWEB. These folks
are my buddies.

Norma Jennings



--- Charles Barnum <> wrote:

> Bill,
> Just a quick question, and believe me it is not
> personal regarding you,
> as I take you at your word, and I have gained a
> respect for you.
> But under your new system will my two Special
> Projects then come under NMGenWeb?
>
> If so, that SC has already said that I will never be
> allowed into that organization regardless of the
> AB's rulings.
> Therefore,
> Does your proposal mean I would be expelled again
> from NMGenWeb and my two Special Projects stolen
> from me under the new system?
>
> If so, could I first be allowed to take them private
> or am I just plain out of luck again in the great
> state of NM where I have put more NM data online
> than most of the world combined?
>
> I was not voting on this run-off, but I now see I
> must vote depending on your answer. Time is very
> short ---like three days? Can you give us an answer
> quickly. If no answer comes soon, then I MUST vote
> for Tina.
>
> If you already answered and I missed it, please
> advise. I have become confused over the meaning of
> this matter.
>
> Respectfully,
> Charles Barnum
>
>
>
> ---- Linda Blum-Barton <> wrote:
>
> =============
> Bill,
>
> In regard to Joy's question to you on the lists
> regarding special projects,
> this is a message I sent to DISCUSS on the 11th of
> August asking about the
> same message I found on your campaign page on that
> date. If you replied to
> my questions, I have not seen them come through the
> list yet and if not,
> could you please explain how you intend to carry out
> this campaign pledge?
>
> Thanks,
> Linda B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Blum-Barton [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:57 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [USGENWEB-DISCUSS] Some Thoughts
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I note with interest that on your revised campaign
> page, you state the
> following:
>
> "The USGWP organization should be an organization of
> affiliated State
> Organizations; thus, all Special Projects should be
> severed from the Parent
> Organization and regarded as parallel and
> independent projects [i.e. such as
> the WorldGenWeb Project]. This will probably cause
> much controversy;
> however, given some thought, rather than reaction,
> it will appear wise and
> prudent for the purpose and welfare of the
> organization."
>
> and I would like to know how you plan to accomplish
> this.
>
> The USGenWeb Project Bylaws state:
> ARTICLE II. PURPOSE
> Section 2. This purpose shall be accomplished by
> presenting websites which
> shall be central repositories of historical and
> genealogical research data,
> donated either by the website coordinator or other
> contributors. In
> presenting this information, the foundation of the
> organization shall be at
> the local websites (county, township, parish, town,
> etc.) which shall be
> linked to the state websites which shall be linked
> to the national website.
> The USGenWeb Project shall also provide a "digital
> library" called The
> USGenWeb Project Archives.
>
> In another place on your campaign page, you do note
> that "While on that
> subject of altering the National Structure of the
> USGWP, it is my opinion
> that the organization has spent too many years in
> discussion and debate of
> the ByLaws and the possible revision of the same
> instead of living within
> them. Therefore it is time to, as one person has
> informed me, to "toss" the
> ByLaws and replace them with NonProfit Articles of
> Incorporation;..."
>
> This statement says to me that you believe the
> organization should live
> within the bylaws on one hand but in the next
> sentence you offer a statement
> that you point out as having come from someone other
> than youself, and
> continue on to state it is time to "toss" the
> Bylaws.
>
> Is it your opinion that the Bylaws need to be tossed
> and replaced with
> non-profit articles of incorporation or someone
> else's opinion? If someone
> else's, do you consider it a part of your campaign
> platform?
>
> Linda B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:]On
> Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:11 AM
> To: ;
> ; CC Discussion
> List
> Subject: [USGENWEB-DISCUSS] Some Thoughts
>
>
> 'siyo Folks,
>
> One of the reasons that I have never liked politics
> is that campaigning
> simply makes one say things that are not very nice
> on personal levels
> rather than working to show how one can better serve
> [operative word =
> SERVE] those who vote one into office. My Father
> was a military man;
> spit and polish. He had a statement: "If I destroy
> you, I destroy
> myself. If I honor you, I honor myself."
>
> One far wiser than I is credited with saying: "That
> is not our way, to
> set yourself apart and talk about who you are and
> what you've done. You
> let your life speak for you. With the Mohawk
> people, wisdom is how you
> live and how you interpret what your mother and
> father, what your
> grandmothers and grandfathers have told you about
> this world -- and how
> you interpret that into the fact of living every
> day" -- Tom Porter,
> Mohawk
>
> My Elders have said that how I live my life makes so
> much noise that
> people can't hear what I'm saying anyway. I
> interpret that to mean that
> it is so easy to see people who do not walk the
> talk.
>
> I believe that there are lessons to be learned from
> the behavior we on
> these lists have witnessed during this year's
> election. Even with the
> run off it had not receded. Can we leave personal
> lives out of the run
> off? I can't see where they do more than hurt folks
> and accomplishing
> nothing constructive -- in effect they just smoke
> screen.
>
> I have added to my campaign page at:
>
>
http://www.feather2s.us/campaign_2007/campaignpage2007.html
>
> Wado,
>
> Bill Oliver
> -=-
>
>
> -------------------------------
>
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