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From: "Tosca Simms" <>
Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] Pers Prop taxes
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:17:01 -0500
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Thank you so much, Marty, for the explanation of what we see, and why we
dont often see what we are looking for on those lists. You have so much
more knowledge than those of us who are novices, and your sharing this sort
of information with us helps us to understand. Your explanations are clear
and concise.
Tosca
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Hiatt <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Pers Prop taxes
> The tax lists we use today, via microfilm, were the 4th copy made. This
copy
> was sent to the state auditor, and housed in a building that did not burn
in
> 1865. I don't know what happened to the originals, or other copies.
> When Jesse Timms' lists were recopied (the 4th time) for the state
auditor,
> he omitted men who did not own any taxable property. Not in the beginning,
> 1800, but within a few years, you'll notice that every man on his list
owned
> a horse or slave, or something taxable.
> My understanding/explanation of why this happened, comes from using the
> records, so take it with a grain of salt. It's not from a law book. I
> figured it out after searching for Pat Duncan's Samuel Ball. He was born
in
> Loudoun and should have appeared on a list somewhere when he was 18 years
> old.
>
> The state got the money for moveable items, while the county received the
> head tax. Therefore, there wasn't really any need to write the names of
men
> who paid only the head tax on the list that was sent to Richmond. For some
> clerks it was easier to just copy every name, but Timms made the decision
to
> omit anyone who wasn't going to pay a state tax.
> Young men, whose names often appear on the lists with their father's
before
> they are married, do not appear on Jesse Timms' lists! I even suspect that
> there were several married men who's names were omitted, but I haven't
done
> any analysis of that. I wonder how the numbers changed from 1836--Timms'
> last year, and 1837 when George K. Fox took over that district. Fox
recorded
> the names of everyone on his list.
>
> Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS
> "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, love
> and respect your work." John Morris
>
> CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists,
> used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P. Duncan" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] Battalions & Districts
>
>
> > Marty,
> >
> > Thanks for the boundaries - that is most helpful.
> >
> > Whenever a commissioner was listed, I did make mention of that in the
> > books. As for warning about Jesse Timms - I remember you had mentioned
> > something at a long time ago, but I don't remember exactly what was
> > said. I did not state any caveats in the book.
> >
> > What was it about Jesse Timms? I take it he didn't do the job he was
> > suppose to. I have him taking the Cameron Parish lists, beginning in at
> > least 1800.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> > Marty Hiatt wrote:
> > > Commissioners of Revenue were responsible for collecting taxes within
> their
> > > assigned militia districts. Under colonial law these geographic areas
> were
> > > called battalions. I wonder if it was the Capt. of the Militia who
> collected
> > > the names? As the Commonwealth took over, the usage shifted to militia
> > > districts.
> > > The following divisions are approximate, not "hard and fast."
> > > First - the northwest corner. From the western county line, follow the
> > > northwest fork of Catoctin Creek, swing down to Hamilton, then up to
> Clark's
> > > gap and over to White's Ferry.
> > > Second - east of Goose Creek. Don't know if the line went down Little
> River
> > > or cut south further east of Aldie. Seems to me the division should
have
> > > followed Goose Creek all the way to county line, but my map shows
> otherwise.
> > > Third - in between First & Second. Included Leesburg.
> > > In 1821 Loudoun went from 3 lists to two. I don't know where that
> dividing
> > > line was.
> > > Pat, did you make a list of the commissioners and their districts? I
> have an
> > > incomplete list for 1813-1850.
> > > Did you warn the readers about Jesse Timms' lists?
> > >
> > > Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > To contact Listowner:
> > > Rena Worthen
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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